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Quote from: truthndare on September 27, 2013, 09:37:18 PM
Editing has taken place in old forum  and editing took place here also. Dameon have edited many posts here in last one week. I do have screen shots.

This is part of administrative job. I don't see sysop as culprit of editing pots. I see him culprit if he actually have any financial gain which is matter of investigation and neither of us are ready to compromise our personal identification to sue him. Even Dameon I guess !!

We are just escape goats and trap for LL business. I cannot trust this forum also if I can't trust old forum  which is there from 8 years. We cannot trust this forum also just because some hurt soul from sarin guest house has given distorted information about sysop to Dameon and he started forum. What legal proof he have for it

Why would I trust this forum if they are already trying to be unethical/distrustful and talking about illegal activities. If Sysop takes some legal action against this forum then we are going to be in hell with all our personal identification out with cops.

Please free to post those screenshots if there's anything wrong so everyone can see them. 

You can see all post edited will have the message edited by Admin (my moderator account as explained in who's running the forum thread). 

Editing posts could be justified but logging into people's account to make posts and reply to private message is impersonation, I don't think Apotheosis can explain that one.

If you don't believe anything you read here, it's your right who to trust and distrust.   Proof has been posted in various threads, example Phantom = Crazy+6

I believe Apotheosis own actions speak for itself, he's banning people and explaining it as troll/spams.  You can see the amount of former members here.  None of their profile is listed as banned because Apotheosis is unable to explain why he is banning so many people for other than the generic excuse "troll/spam".     

Example : If a old forum  member post that it's okay to lengthen 20cm on one section, you wouldn't say that means old forum  is providing dangerous information right?  Note this is a theoretical question.

If Sysop/Apotheosis think there are serious threats against him by a member, then he is free to seek legal help and police protection.    The comments of individual members are just that, individual opinions.

As I mentioned this is a community driven forum, so people will be able to decide things here.   I'm going to implement a report system so that people who are getting flagged by other members will be under review.   Please don't abuse the freedom of speech here and keep all posts respectable and meaingful.

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Oh and btw, I have no idea about the legal repercussions of posting old forum  content here actually is. One would be safer if he found out for sure , before doing something like that.

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Quote from: short_and_depressed on September 27, 2013, 10:03:39 PMContradict? How exactly?
Most people here are saying the earlier info was genuine but the new stuff isn't and the stuff that is to come will not be.

I'm just worried if LL itself isn't as successful a surgery as the website claims. Like I wrote earlier, if the truth is that only 70% of LL is successful, and old forum  has hidden the failed ones, then we've been largely mislead. I'm sure many people wouldn't have even looked at LL in the 1st place if that were the case.

I share your concerns and feel like the rug has been pulled from beneath my feet.  I was geared up to have the surgery next summer, but now I am currently out of options for LL and continue to seek solutions.

The lack of completed diaries regardless of the outcome being successful or not has always been a concern for me.

What doctor/doctors did you have in mind?

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There really is no website with info that will be a substitute for going to research various leg lengthening specialists yourself and forming your own conclusion. That said, I agree with the TC that we need more diaries and leg lengthening information. More info to that end will obviously come throughout the days. This site is still very new and we can't expect to be a full database this fast. Understandably people are upset with the deception on old forum , and I think for those who are PM'ed on old forum  about this site it is important that we have the sticked info up top revealing just what kind of deception has taken place on there by the current owner/admin.

We should probably contain the posts addressing concerns on old forum  into a few threads in one section, or make a sub-section for it that's separated from the purely medical aspects of leg lengthening.

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Kilokahn,  that's a really good idea,  I'm going to reorganize all old forum  related thread and all LL related topics into separate sections.

Also it's very true that reading everything on the internet should form only a small part of a proper decision making process (also mentioned in the thread How To Choose A Limb Lengthening Doctor).  Visiting multiple doctors and their patients in person is really important.

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------Who is Admin ?? You itself ? Dameon ! be careful what you are quoting. If you can edit posts here - How is it not justifiable for Sysop.

------ This forum has been created with the allegation of editing posts. You cannot turn 360 degree from here.
If you are justifying it - You have already surrendered one major issue.

------ SMF never allow people to login into other account unless you change the password of it and in that case it will send message to registered email automatically. So for doing that - you have to 1st change email account and password both ( a lot of work). Other way is to change the entire rule set in admin control panel. Do you think Sysop would do that just for checking one random account.

I hope you know it when you are running forum based on SMF platform.

------ Go google and you will find similar frames like crazy+6 rolling around everywhere. Again I am not saying Phantom = No crazy+6. Its a matter of investigation.

------ I have never seen him/old forum  suggesting 20 cm to lengthen. Just now I see him suggesting someone not to go beyond 6-7 cm.
 
(Editor Note: This is his response to an theoretical question, nobody would ever suggest lengthening 20cm on one section) 

------ I would rather not comment on illegal action etc. Its your forum- You are authority for that.

Replied in http://www.limblengtheningforum.com/index.php?topic=26.msg288#msg288

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Yes it does, Depends on Law of land. Copyright infringement laws are ridiculously confusing in different countries. There are cases where people have lead to defamation suits just because of one picture posted in website/forum.

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Quote from: truthndare on September 27, 2013, 11:13:51 PM
------Who is Admin ?? You itself ? Dameon ! be careful what you are quoting. If you can edit posts here - How is it not justifiable for Sysop.

------ This forum has been created with the allegation of editing posts. You cannot turn 360 degree from here.
If you are justifying it - You have already surrendered one major issue.

------ SMF never allow people to login into other account unless you change the password of it and in that case it will send message to registered email automatically. So for doing that - you have to 1st change email account and password both ( a lot of work). Other way is to change the entire rule set in admin control panel. Do you think Sysop would do that just for checking one random account.
I hope you know it when you are running forum based on SMF platform.

------ Go google and you will find similar frames like crazy+6 rolling around everywhere. Again I am not saying Phantom = No crazy+6. Its a matter of investigation.

------ I have never seen him/old forum  suggesting 20 cm to lengthen. Just now I see him suggesting someone not to go beyond 6-7 cm.

------ I would rather not comment on illegal action etc. Its your forum- You are authority for that.

Yes, as mentioned in "who is running the forum" thread, I am the moderator of this forum.   It's clear you are trolling here if you came to defend Sysop.

The forum was not created based on "allegation of editing posts", you should read up first.

Btw, editing posts to correct spelling or grammar, it's fine.   But please don't say it's okay for Apotheosis to delete posts for his own purpose or impersonate people accounts.

Admin of SMF is able to change both Email and Password, so users don't even get notifications.  It's actually very straightforward and that's probably what Apotheosis did.

There's so much loopholes in Phantom diary it's not funny, including how his visa expiring in 2 months.  I think people can make up their own minds about it.

I was using example that if a person say something on a forum, it doesn't mean that it represent the whole forum think that way.  Don't quote things out of context. 

As far as "illegal actions" here, if Apothesis feel any real threat, he should involve the police and legal help.   I do not have authority over this.

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Quote from: An_Apple_A_Day on September 27, 2013, 10:16:15 PMNot once have I seen any crazy recommendations like that on old forum  and time and again people say 5-7.5cm max.

I think Dameon was making an example that if somebody posted ridiculous advise on old forum , it wouldn't be right to say that "oh old forum  website is giving dangerous advice about LL"  just because a random person posted it.

Quote from: short_and_depressed on September 27, 2013, 10:11:23 PMOh and btw, I have no idea about the legal repercussions of posting old forum  content here actually is. One would be safer if he found out for sure , before doing something like that.

There's nothing in this,  since Apotheosis would have to pay all the diaries owners if he wishes to claim copyright ownership because he never created them. Just because somebody post on a website doesn't automatically mean that they gave up ownership. Also it's fine if you are quoting something for reference, review or educational purpose, that's what newspaper and wikipedia do.
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Yes it does, Depends on Law of land. Copyright infringement laws are ridiculously confusing in different countries. There are cases where people have lead to defamation suits just because of one picture posted in website/forum.
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At the same time, old forum  should really have a readable Terms of Service, Privacy Policy, and Legal Disclaimer simply for the fact that it has a Recommended Doctors List, many on the list that Sysop makes money from. I can't find a terms of use or privacy policy or legal disclaimer anywhere on there. Even a basic one.

If Sysop were running a business, he would not be fully compliant with business regulations. Sysop acts as an affiliate in many ways in that he is advertising products/surgeons and getting a cut of their profit. That must be disclosed in affiliate marketing. If an affiliate receives commission from selling another person's or business's products, that affiliate has to reveal this on his website in some form. That's why they have affiliate policies which show and describe the relationship between the affiliate (the one endorsing another company's products) and the company/business being endorsed by the affiliate. I do affiliate marketing myself - not for LLing - and you can be held legally liable for false statements through endorsement of other products due to truth in advertising laws. Now I'm not sure how this would apply to old forum , as I'm not sure it falls under an actual business, but if someone were to go after Sysop legally I wouldn't be surprised if he were found guilty of fraud.

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Quote from: An_Apple_A_Day on September 27, 2013, 07:39:28 PMQuote from: Carter on September 27, 2013, 07:31:42 PMQuote from: An_Apple_A_Day on September 27, 2013, 07:22:38 PM
You see this is what I mean.  I am trying to encourage us to have an decent forum ALONGSIDE old forum  and you're calling me a selfish prick.

I don't care about old forum  or this site, I care about information and knowledge on Leg Lengthening.

For your information I have saved up around $10000 so far.  So I still have a way to go.  I am still researching and still considering all options.

Can you honestly think that all those diaries and threads on old forum  over the past 8 years are worthless?  Really?

If old forum  is exposed on national TV and investigated by authorities, whose fault is that?

Those are useful information, but I don't consider them essential at all.   Sometimes there's such thing as information overload. 
 
Why don't you make a post on old forum  and ask them to clean up their act instead of moaning here?

If you are fearful about old forum  going down, save all the information you need.  Do you think that the people here are going to flock back to that joke of  a site? 

Clearly everyone have different opinions.  If you love old forum , stay there.

You are not reading what I am typing.

I don't care for either forum.  I care about the information.

It was a user here telling another user to MAKE MONEY by exposing old forum .  In the same thread a user was offering $100 for SysOp's real name and address and was willing to post it online for all to see.  So even if old forum  is dodgy/illegal/immoral this forum is already corrupt and doing the same thing.

That was me. I apologise. After reading the previous comments up until this one, I realised it was a terrible idea. I don't want leg lengthening to get anymore TV exposure, though, the "make money" part slightly sarcastic. I didn't mean he should profit off this situation - you're over-analyzing what I said - I was just encouraging  an American (or anyone in America) to bring him down because we in Europe, Asia and anywhere outside of North America, are helpless being so far away.