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Posted on Feb 14, 2022, 11:40 am
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Quote from: ReadRothbard on January 11, 2022, 04:27:41 AMHe mentioned that he would wear small lifts. So, 14+4 cm would be about 170-171 cm (my current height).
That is a significant transition from being extremely short into 'just under average height'.
But tbh I don't think it can make senses if he was not planning on Paley's Option 5 which can gain him 8+8cm and with that boots on he can get taller up to 174-175cm. That is not a bad height as long as he does not take off his boots.

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Posted on Feb 14, 2022, 4:16 pm
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Quote from: Tenet on November 06, 2021, 03:41:44 PMAlright, I'm sorry to hear that man.

So you are 5'0 or 152cm? If you grow 10cm, you'd be 162cm. What exactly would that change? You would still be seen as super short either way. But if you can make it to 165cm, then it might make a difference.
IT WOULD CHANGE EVERYTHING! I WOULD BE A HAPPY GUY WITHOUT NEUROSIS, no matter what everybody else thinks here. I know myself and have a great sense of self introspection, social values and, if I may say so, a "particular" sense of risk for things that I consider as allmost criminal (personal free opinion) like Paley's option 4, 5, 6, ....10 (!) or WTF he wants to call it. I wouldn't do it FOR FREE. I try to respect everybody's point of vue but don't come here to "sell" what some of you consider being worse than Alzheimer and "defining" for example what you consider "extremely short", "super short", etc. Because first, that is individually offensive (the condition I have has a name, it's called Constitutional Short Stature (not "ultra short"), second it is etnocentric and even nationalistic centered (average of men in Vietnam is 162 cm for example. Would it be the end of the world?), and third, I could argue that people that are 180 cm tall and break bones and literally stretch the body for 100.000 USD are plain crazy. But I don't say that. Each person defines its neurosis, its wishes and lives its insecurities. So with my 152 cm, target 158/159 cm after tibias, target 165 cm after femurs (only at least 18 months later) and "target" 171 cm with my Dr. Martens 6 cm platform confortable and non weird shoes or boots,  don't come to me saying what a tragedy this would still be, at least "not enough"! As you have your concepts and some are not even satisfied with 195 cm, my "neurosis threshold" is much lower, fortunately. And I assure you its not because it's not possible to go for 175/176 cm (average in Europe except eg Netherlands and Nordic countries).
I wouldn't even know that LL exists probably if I was average. What would be my F****** problem with that? My only problem would be exactly if absurdly I turned to LL to invent myself a problem:  time, money abd risk of health loss.
So, to sum up, try to speak more rigorously: are we on average? Within one standard deviation? (Check tall.life website simulators for percentiles.). So don't come to me saying what's extremely short, very short and then short and then "just average". It's not up to you. Of course, express your wishes and views about your body but don't come to treat people like me as abominations or indirectly tell us what should our "happy" height be or not. I don't call you giants ou awkwardly disproportionated, or crazy, or whatever. But when I realize there are so little, so really rare people here with less than 160 cm, I ask myself two things: Am I "weaker" than them (yes, definitely, I know happy guys with less than 160cm) and second, can it be that they are really less neurotic than most of us and just don't need this?
Short stature is a personal concept  or otherwise scientific but if we opt by this last, everybody with around 169 to 181 is not really out of reach of the bell centre of Gauss curve for many or most "western" countries, therefore not really short or tall taken isolated. Population is not divided into "poor" average guys, really tall or short guys and dwarfs and giants; it's a Gauss curve!

BE HAPPY....get real love, find an additional purpose in life, and try not to f*** yourselves with "rebrakes", quadrilateral, "buldus", Paley's 250.000 USD dangerous phantasies and other such things. (This applies to me also, despite temptations).

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Posted on Feb 14, 2022, 4:18 pm
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Posted on Feb 14, 2022, 5:13 pm
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Quote from: zaozari on February 14, 2022, 04:16:13 PMIT WOULD CHANGE EVERYTHING! I WOULD BE A HAPPY GUY WITHOUT NEUROSIS, no matter what everybody else thinks here. I know myself and have a great sense of self introspection, social values and, if I may say so, a "particular" sense of risk for things that I consider as allmost criminal (personal free opinion) like Paley's option 4, 5, 6, ....10 (!) or WTF he wants to call it. I wouldn't do it FOR FREE. I try to respect everybody's point of vue but don't come here to "sell" what some of you consider being worse than Alzheimer and "defining" for example what you consider "extremely short", "super short", etc. Because first, that is individually offensive (the condition I have has a name, it's called Constitutional Short Stature (not "ultra short"), second it is etnocentric and even nationalistic center (average of men in Vietnam is 162 cm for example. Would it be the end of the world?), and third, I could argue that people that are 180 cm and break bones and literally stretch the body for 100.000 USD are plain crazy. But I don't say that. Each person defines its neurosis, its wishes and lives its insecurities. So with my 152 cm, target 158/159 cm after tibias, target 165 cm after femurs (only at least 18 months later) and "target" still with my Dr. Martens 6 cm platform confortable and non weird shoes or boots, thus leading to maybe 171 cm, don't come to me saying what a tragedy this would still be, at least "not enough"! As you have your concepts and some are not even satisfied with 195 cm, my "neurosis threshold" is much lower, fortunately. And I assure you its not because it's not possible to go for 174/176 cm (average in Europe except Netherlands and Nordic countries).
I wouldn't even know that LL exists probably if I was average. What would be my F****** problem with that? My only problem would be exactly LL:  time, money abd risk of health loss.
So, to sum up, try to speak more rigorously: are we on average? Within one standard deviation? (Check tall.life website simulators for percentiles.). So don't come to me saying what's extremely short, very short and then short and then "just average". It's not up to you. Of course, express your wishes and views about your body but don't come to treat people like me as abominations or indirectly tell us what should our "happy" height be or not. I don't call you giants ou awkwardly disproportionated, or crazy, or whatever. But when I realize there are so little, so really rare people here with less than 160 cm, I ask myself two things: Am I "weaker" than them (yes, definitely, I know happy guys with less than 160cm) and second, can it be that they are really less neurotic than most of us and just don't need this?
Short stature is a personal concept  or otherwise scientific but if we opt by this last, everybody with around 169 to 181 is not really out of reach of the bell centre of Gauss curve for many or most "western" countries, therefore not really short or tall taken isolated. Population is not divided into "poor" average guys, really tall or short guys and dwarfs and giants; it's a Gauss curve!

BE HAPPY....get real love, find an additional purpose in life, and try not to f*** yourselves with "rebrakes", quadrilateral, "buldus", Paley's 250.000 USD dangerous phantasies and other such things. (This applies to me also, despite temptations).
Wait, 174/176 is already average in Europe rn? I think average height in most of European countries is around 178-180cm? But I am not deliberately knocking you or something and you said your 'neurosis' threshold is lower than taller guys so the argues over it will be a piss in the wind.
What's more, I'm from China. Do you know how toxic my peers(aka so-called 'Genz') are perceiving average heights? They even think 11 y.o average height is 175-180cm and over 11 is 180-185cm! I am also perplexed why my country is so boasting about average height but I gotta say even though Europeans are on average much taller than China's Genzs but they still have far more accurate answers to what average height is!
But again, I am having very much sympathy from your neruosis my pal. So I totally understand why you will feel satisfied reaching 165cm and yeah I can see loads of people here around 175cm-178cm working on their heights which is also making me openmouthed LOL. But everyone comes from not the same countries maybe 175-178cm is not enough for few specially tall countries like the Netherlands, Germany, and the Balkan Peninsula. I come from China, so after Option 5 I can reach a very decent height——178cm.
Either way, hope you can share your diaries then during the procedures. You can play a legendary role in this forum letting us witness how insistent and educated you are actually!

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Posted on Feb 14, 2022, 5:35 pm
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Quote from: ReadRothbard on January 11, 2022, 04:18:48 AMWhat country are you from?

FYI, I can completely understand why you’d want to get LL at your height. And I’d like to reassure you that at 168-170 cm with a good build, no one is going to notice your height or treat your much differently. That I know from experience.
Thanks. It's refreshing sometimes find some balanced, reasonable, open mind, " beyond neurosis", informed vues.

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Posted on Feb 14, 2022, 5:40 pm
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Posted on Feb 14, 2022, 6:25 pm
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Quote from: Electronic Paradise on February 14, 2022, 05:13:21 PMWait, 174/176 is already average in Europe rn? I think average height in most of European countries is around 178-180cm? But I am not deliberately knocking you or something and you said your 'neurosis' threshold is lower than taller guys so the argues over it will be a piss in the wind.
What's more, I'm from China. Do you know how toxic my peers(aka so-called 'Genz') are perceiving average heights? They even think 11 y.o average height is 175-180cm and over 11 is 180-185cm! I am also perplexed why my country is so boasting about average height but I gotta say even though Europeans are on average much taller than China's Genzs but they still have far more accurate answers to what average height is!
But again, I am having very much sympathy from your neruosis my pal. So I totally understand why you will feel satisfied reaching 165cm and yeah I can see loads of people here around 175cm-178cm working on their heights which is also making me openmouthed LOL. But everyone comes from not the same countries maybe 175-178cm is not enough for few specially tall countries like the Netherlands, Germany, and the Balkan Peninsula. I come from China, so after Option 5 I can reach a very decent height——178cm.
Either way, hope you can share your diaries then during the procedures. You can play a legendary role in this forum letting us witness how insistent and educated you are actually!
Average in Europe is 177,6 cm but I think it's not "weighted" for relative national populations, because in the bigger countries (Germany, UK  France, Italy) average is around 175 cm. Only the Netherlands, Bosnia & Herzegovina, Croatia, Montenegro and all 4 nordic countries as far as I know, are above 180 cm and they all have small populations.
The world is upside down because average for males in China is still 167,1 cm (at least until very recently,  check Tall Life website, percentile predictor). That means that technically "truly short" is only below around 152,5 cm there (2 standard deviations and below), which depending on population and ethnic group corresponds to between the 2,0 and 2,3 percentile of population (some classify "short" as below 5% of population instead).
So, there must be an heterogeneous male population in China (rural/urban?), a phenomena of urban huge hysteria of heightism or a mixture of everything, from "barbaric" alfa male neurosis and competition, to publicity models and commercial fashion included.
Thanks for your kind words and even wishing me to become a legend, but as everybody else here, I just want ....to be (a bit) taller 😊
PS-and before legendary I'll also still need some more Euros 🥴

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Posted on Feb 16, 2022, 8:24 pm
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Quote from: Tenet on November 06, 2021, 03:41:44 PMAlright, I'm sorry to hear that man.

So you are 5'0 or 152cm? If you grow 10cm, you'd be 162cm. What exactly would that change? You would still be seen as super short either way. But if you can make it to 165cm, then it might make a difference.
He’d still be short but (this is going to harsh, sorry in advance to the 5’0 guy) being 5’0 where I’m from will basically remove 99% or most likely more of dating options. Men will look at you with zero respect, you will likely be payed a decent amount less than a taller counterpart. Even getting hired will be tougher. Being 5’0 isn’t playing life on hard mode, it’s playing life on ultra insane heLL Forumk mode, so hard the developers didn’t even bother testing if it’s possible lol. Adding 10 cm with lifts will at least make him on just “very hard mode”.

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Posted on Feb 16, 2022, 8:58 pm
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Quote from: Sambollio on February 16, 2022, 08:24:57 PMHe’d still be short but (this is going to harsh, sorry in advance to the 5’0 guy) being 5’0 where I’m from will basically remove 99% or most likely more of dating options. Men will look at you with zero respect, you will likely be payed a decent amount less than a taller counterpart. Even getting hired will be tougher. Being 5’0 isn’t playing life on hard mode, it’s playing life on ultra insane heLL Forumk mode, so hard the developers didn’t even bother testing if it’s possible lol. Adding 10 cm with lifts will at least make him on just “very hard mode”.
I got real good jobs and was never discriminated altough of course girls only care about me after a while, after getting to know me better. But I had 3 fantastic girlfriends, around 3cm taller without heels (which they used sometimes and I liked, contrary to that ex president of France, Sarkozy, that ''obliged'' the wife to wear flat shoes). I lost all 3 fantastic (caring, sensual, inteligent, etc.) girlfriends because I was becoming neurotic, not because they changed to a taller guy! They just saw something more in me than less 20 cm of flesh & bone.

In one job I competed with multiple testing with 5.000 guys and was among the 80 first (''winners'') for the position, so I was hired with high pay and benefits.
I just feel short and don't like for example to have dificult eye contact with the waiter in a counter or in a discotec full of people.
Maybe I am very lucky or live in a very modern or tolerant country. And maybe I made myself respected with other arguments diferent than height, when I could still fight neurosis. But height neurosis in me is a totally internal issue. There was a time I didn't feel neurosis.
Well, yours is an opinion, I respect, but since it's about me, let me repeat a part of I wrote above: doing LL...

...WOULD CHANGE EVERYTHING! I WOULD BE A HAPPY GUY WITHOUT NEUROSIS, no matter what everybody else thinks here. I know myself and have a great sense of self introspection, social values and, if I may say so, a "particular" sense of risk for things that I consider as allmost criminal (personal free opinion) like Paley's option 4, 5, 6, ....10 (!) or WTF he wants to call it. I wouldn't do it FOR FREE. I would/will grow maybe to 159cm with tibias done, to 165/166cm with femurs and with fantastic elevator, non weird shoes that I use,I would reach 171 cm! Think what you want, but that is more than enough for me. We all have common and also different issues here, that's natural, we are diferent people. So, just don't say, because you simply don't know: ''Adding 10 cm with lifts will at least make him on just “very hard mode”.''
I tried to search and it seems you are 180 cm tall...I could say you are a fool if you are 180 cm tall, if you are going to do CLL, the only countries in the world whose average is more than 180 are the 4 nordic countries, the Netherlands, Croatia, Montenegro, and Bosnia Herzegovina. Average in the US, UK, France, Italy, .. is around 175/176 cm. And you are going to spend a fortune, one or two years for a still uncompleted recovery and risk your sense of balance, your healthy biomechanics and even risking thrombosis by cloting in the surgery? But all this is ME thinking if I was in your place, as the ''exercice'' you did putting yourself in my shoes. This is just to let clear my position, I don't know if you have specific motivations to do LL, so don't take it personally, please.

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Posted on Feb 16, 2022, 9:49 pm
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Quote from: zaozari on February 16, 2022, 08:58:23 PMI got real good jobs and was never discriminated altough of course girls only care about me after a while, after getting to know me better. But I had 3 fantastic girlfriends, around 3cm taller without heels (which they used sometimes and I liked, contrary to that ex president of France, Sarkozy, that ''obliged'' the wife to wear flat shoes). I lost all 3 fantastic (caring, sensual, inteligent, etc.) girlfriends because I was becoming neurotic, not because they changed to a taller guy! They just saw something more in me than less 20 cm of flesh & bone.

In one job I competed with multiple testing with 5.000 guys and was among the 80 first (''winners'') for the position, so I was hired with high pay and benefits.
I just feel short and don't like for example to have dificult eye contact with the waiter in a counter or in a discotec full of people.
Maybe I am very lucky or live in a very modern or tolerant country. And maybe I made myself respected with other arguments diferent than height, when I could still fight neurosis. But height neurosis in me is a totally internal issue. There was a time I didn't feel neurosis.
Well, yours is an opinion, I respect, but since it's about me, let me repeat a part of I wrote above: doing LL...

...WOULD CHANGE EVERYTHING! I WOULD BE A HAPPY GUY WITHOUT NEUROSIS, no matter what everybody else thinks here. I know myself and have a great sense of self introspection, social values and, if I may say so, a "particular" sense of risk for things that I consider as allmost criminal (personal free opinion) like Paley's option 4, 5, 6, ....10 (!) or WTF he wants to call it. I wouldn't do it FOR FREE. I would/will grow maybe to 159cm with tibias done, to 165/166cm with femurs and with fantastic elevator, non weird shoes that I use,I would reach 171 cm! Think what you want, but that is more than enough for me. We all have common and also different issues here, that's natural, we are diferent people. So, just don't say, because you simply don't know: ''Adding 10 cm with lifts will at least make him on just “very hard mode”.''
I tried to search and it seems you are 180 cm tall...I could say you are a fool if you are 180 cm tall, if you are going to do CLL, the only countries in the world whose average is more than 180 are the 4 nordic countries, the Netherlands, Croatia, Montenegro, and Bosnia Herzegovina. Average in the US, UK, France, Italy, .. is around 175/176 cm. And you are going to spend a fortune, one or two years for a still uncompleted recovery and risk your sense of balance, your healthy biomechanics and even risking thrombosis by cloting in the surgery? But all this is ME thinking if I was in your place, as the ''exercice'' you did putting yourself in my shoes. This is just to let clear my position, I don't know if you have specific motivations to do LL, so don't take it personally, please.
Technically speaking, I cannot figure out his intentions of 'harshing' in his statements or 'helping' you elaborate your different situations between before LL and post LL. It seems to me that they are really offensive and nerve-wracking. I know 160-169cm is still not a good height in his perspectives but that doesn't mean he can deliberately picture what you are actually experiencing with that height, not to mention all that he pictured run counter to what you actually experience.
Moreover, there is a hearsay that US has 'giantism' that is seducing/inducing ppl to worship heights like 6'5, 6'7 and plus and I think maybe that kind of ideology is being spread out all over the Caucasian countries so maybe that's the main reason why some tall guys, at least in common ppl's perspectives, are still contemplating on LL.
But yeah I'd admire your excellent skills and personalities except height neurosis which is very understandable to me so that you can beat so much guys over your occupations and tap 3 taller girls than you LOL. That is very unheard of. So I think you should add those stuffs into your future LL diaries!

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