https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Taille_(anthropom%C3%A9trie)
Do you want another proof to say that official numbers are absolute unbelievable ? 182 for male and 169 for female in Greece (for 16 yo people). That make them as tall as Dutch people in average and taller than Scandinavian and German.
it's the french one, the english page put them at 178
Allemagne 179,9 cm 165,9 cm 18 ans (2014)
182,3 cm 173,0 cm adultes
Australie 179,2 cm 165,9 cm 18 ans (2014)
Canada 178,1 cm 163.9 cm 18 ans (2014)
177 cm 168 cm
Belgique 181,7 cm 165,5 cm 18 ans (2014)
Croatie 180,8 cm 165,6 cm 18 ans (2014)
Danemark 181,4 cm 167,2 cm 18 ans (2014)
Espagne 180,9 cm 166,7 cm 16 ans (2017)
États-Unis 176,5 cm 167,6 cm adultes
177,1 cm 163,5 cm 18 ans (2014)
France 179,7 cm 164,9 cm 18 ans (2014)
180,2 cm 166,3 cm 16 ans (2017)
Finlande 179,6 cm 165,9 cm 18 ans (2014)
Grèce 182,8 cm 169,1 cm 16 ans (2017)
Italie 180,6 cm 166,5 cm 16 ans (2017)
Japon 172,6 cm 162,0 cm adultes
Luxembourg 179,1 cm 169,6 cm 15 - 25 ans
Portugal 173,7 cm 165,0 cm
Pays-Bas 182,5 cm 168,7 cm 18 ans (2014)
183,8 cm 172,6 cm
184,0 cm 173,6 cm 21 ans
Monténégro 185,6 cm 174,3 cm
Nouvelle-Zélande 177,0 cm 166,0 cm 19 - 45 ans
Norvège 179,7 cm 165,6 cm 18 ans (2014)
République tchèque 180,1 cm 168,5 cm 18 ans (2014)
Roumanie 174,7 cm 162,7 cm 18 ans (2014)
Suède 177,2 cm 166 cm
179,7 cm 165,7 cm 18 ans (2014)
Suisse 178,4 cm 163,5 cm 18 ans (2014)
Tonga 169,4 cm 156,2 cm 15 - 16 ans
Turquie 175,0 cm 167,2 cm
Ukraine 178,5 cm 166,3 cm 18 ans (2014)
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Maybe girls are near to that height (1.67-8) but boys for sure they are not so tall.
I know very good what is going on in Greece. Men's average is for sure less than 1.80 including young men.
I don't know who does these surveys but they are stupid and unsubstantial.
It seems like this is a self-reported survey as far as the heights are cconcerned. I can't read the language, is that the case?
Quote from: Body Builder on December 29, 2017, 11:24:57 AMBs.
Maybe girls are near to that height (1.67-8) but boys for sure they are not so tall.
I know very good what is going on in Greece. Men's average is for sure less than 1.80 including young men.
I don't know who does these surveys but they are stupid and unsubstantial.
168 average for girls seems also very tall, especially when Norway average is 165
I visited Norway, Ireland and Czechia and I think that 179 for Norway, 179-80 for Czech Republic are pretty good listening
and for Ireland/England/France something like 175-6
the funniest is that czech republic is the poorest country in this list
Quote from: KiloKAHN on December 29, 2017, 11:42:33 AMIt seems like this is a self-reported survey as far as the heights are cconcerned. I can't read the language, is that the case?
there no other informations, the english page is way better.
Quote from: theophilo on December 29, 2017, 11:47:43 AM
the funniest is that czech republic is the poorest country in this list
That should be proof that it's mostly genetic. On a side note, anyone noticed that somolians tend to be tall too? I've noticed that a lot of Somalian men and women seem to be above average were I live. (Somalia is a poor country too btw)
I've always suspected numbers in these kind of researches are inflated, if they're all self-reported. You see an average of 170cm for certain countries in Asia when it's clearly not the case.
Likewise, 182cm for Greece seems unbelievable. Mediterraneans, in general (probably with the exception of Northern Italy), are shorter than other European groups.
Quote from: google42 on December 29, 2017, 04:38:01 PMThat should be proof that it's mostly genetic. On a side note, anyone noticed that somolians tend to be tall too? I've noticed that a lot of Somalian men and women seem to be above average were I live. (Somalia is a poor country too btw)
That's right. Somalian are tall (but not as european I think) for people who knows war and famine since the 70s (the somalian situation started with Ogaden war against Ethiopia in 1977, and fall of Siad Barre regime). Also in some part of Somalia people have better living conditions (like in Somaliland).
Quote from: myloginacct on December 29, 2017, 06:34:19 PMI've always suspected numbers in these kind of researches are inflated, if they're all self-reported. You see an average of 170cm for certain countries in Asia when it's clearly not the case.
Likewise, 182cm for Greece seems unbelievable. Mediterraneans, in general (probably with the exception of Northern Italy), are shorter than other European groups.
I do not think that the Mediterranean forms a homogeneous ethnic group. Same for slavic people you will tell me, it's right. South slavic are not north slavic. So I don't really think that north european are much taller, probably a bit in average like 3-4 cm. In France our case is particular, because it's clear there is no ethnic homogeneity. You will see that people in north of France can looks similar than german. We can consider France as a latin country because historically we adopted latin culture, but racially is more complicated. And as you said, that the same for North of Italy because of Ostrogoths. France had Franks (but Belgian and Luxembourgish are nearer Franks, racially talking), Spain had Wisigoths, etc. And if you look at spanish, it's racially complicated too. With al Andalus a lot of spanish have berberic/arabic blood, some have rather germanic blood, etc.
So no, I don't think it's true. Or only partially.
Also if we look, I doubt that Austrian are taller than French. What is sure is that Irish and English people are not.
The 6'1 dinaric Alps average is weird too, especially when you see that in other part of Croatia for exemple average is under 5'11. But I have read a slavic forum, and someone from there told it's clearly wrong.
Quote from: theophilo on December 29, 2017, 06:49:11 PM
I do not think that the Mediterranean forms a homogeneous ethnic group. Same for slavic people you will tell me, it's right. South slavic are not north slavic. So I don't really think that north european are much taller, probably a bit in average like 3-4 cm. In France our case is particular, because it's clear there is no ethnic homogeneity. You will see that people in north of France can looks similar than german. We can consider France as a latin country because historically we adopted latin culture, but racially is more complicated. And as you said, that the same for North of Italy because of Ostrogoths. France had Franks (but Belgian and Luxembourgish are nearer Franks, racially talking), Spain had Wisigoths, etc. And if you look at spanish, it's racially complicated too. With al Andalus a lot of spanish have berberic/arabic blood, some have rather germanic blood, etc.
So no, I don't think it's true. Or only partially.
Also if we look, I doubt that Austrian are taller than French. What is sure is that Irish and English people are not.
Aren't people a bit shorter in Southern France, though?
But yes, I totally get what you are saying. Most groups in Europe are divided on arbitrary lines like languages (e.g. Slavic/Germanic) or even seas (Baltic/Mediterranean), so there's no way they are homogeneous; this can't possibly accurately represent genetics. It's just my impression that, in general, the peoples usually referred as Mediterraneans tend to be a bit shorter than those elsewhere in Europe.
However, maybe this changed in recent times. The Italian, but specially the Spanish average in your study are tall. I live in a country with many immigrants from both of these populations and they tend to not be as tall as those figures (where they're averaging closer to 180cm), but I'm not from Europe. Maybe things just look very different there now. The immigrant groups that tend to be almost invariably as tall as those I see in modern Europe tend to always be from Central/Northern Europe. I never see someone of German ancestry who's considerably shorter than the height figures I see for Europe.
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