Becker vs Giotikas (Betzbone vs G-nail) - which better?

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Yeah I sort of wonder now, I agree now that stretching alot before the surgery has very limited effects. Maybe the best training is something like this?

Before LL:

- lose weight if you can unless you're already thin
- no vaping/smoking obviously
- stop wearing high lifts if you're doing that, I think its better to give the joints some rest before the surgery, maybe look into those running shoes with big cushion air/foam boosts if you want extra height
- maybe some light stretching at least the month before to get in the habit / familiar with the muscles you'll be stretching
- if someone is a couch potato, I think some light walking might be good just to have healthier legs and joints before the surgery

Basically I agree with them now - I think pre stretching is not that amazing, but I still think losing weight is great and its convenient + easier on your wrists for alot of movements not to be too heavy (also weight is more important for non-weight bearing nails like precise but less important for gnail/betzbone etc). I still thinking losing weight overall helps the experience be more comfortable, like if you have fat thighs + you add the swelling after surgery -> they will be really big and it will be uncomfortable

Whether you should stop working out certain muscles (because the PT in Athens told me if you have really big muscular thighs, it can make clicking for femurs more painful)..- I'm not sure-- especially for tibias, it sort of feels like stretching calves with things like slant boards is already almost kind of working them out

After the surgery:

- stretch, stretch, stretch + w/e else they tell you
- I think Dr. Robins at the Paley institute even recommends not working the first month (ex; for people who work remotely) at all and just focusing on your physiotherapy?
- stretch, stretch, stretch

Something like this? What do you guys think?

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Quote from: SpeedDialer on November 15, 2022, 01:52:47 PMYeah I sort of wonder now, I agree now that stretching alot before the surgery has very limited effects. Maybe the best training is something like this?

Before LL:

- lose weight if you can unless you're already thin
- no vaping/smoking obviously
- stop wearing high lifts if you're doing that, I think its better to give the joints some rest before the surgery, maybe look into those running shoes with big cushion air/foam boosts if you want extra height
- maybe some light stretching at least the month before to get in the habit / familiar with the muscles you'll be stretching
- if someone is a couch potato, I think some light walking might be good just to have healthier legs and joints before the surgery

Basically I agree with them now - I think pre stretching is not that amazing, but I still think losing weight is great and its convenient + easier on your wrists for alot of movements not to be too heavy (also weight is more important for non-weight bearing nails like precise but less important for gnail/betzbone etc). I still thinking losing weight overall helps the experience be more comfortable, like if you have fat thighs + you add the swelling after surgery -> they will be really big and it will be uncomfortable

Whether you should stop working out certain muscles (because the PT in Athens told me if you have really big muscular thighs, it can make clicking for femurs more painful)..- I'm not sure-- especially for tibias, it sort of feels like stretching calves with things like slant boards is already almost kind of working them out

After the surgery:

- stretch, stretch, stretch + w/e else they tell you
- I think Dr. Robins at the Paley institute even recommends not working the first month (ex; for people who work remotely) at all and just focusing on your physiotherapy?
- stretch, stretch, stretch

Something like this? What do you guys think?

I would agree and add that walking or at least any kind of exercising your legs after surgery is key for a quick recovery. Stretching is only 50%-70% and the minimum that your muscles are not going to freak out when they get stretched. At least, thats what I have noticed that I got a very positive impact from every exercise like aqua walking, limb press, adductor/abductor press, sauna, jacuzzi etc.) in which I have pushed my blood circulation in the muscles. I strongly believe that this was the key for my very quick and good recovery. Well now I had weight-bearing nails but in a limited way you ca do the same with a non-weight bearing nail as well. It is also positive for the stretching, if you warm-up your muscles so that you will benefit in this regard as well.

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Quote from: Taller90 on November 15, 2022, 02:31:06 PM limb press, adductor/abductor press, sauna, jacuzzi etc

Yeah this sounds like a good idea, I think I might do this when I get back to the United States after I finish my stay in Athens. I think the PT place in Athen has a uh what's it called, that quad only exercise machine (you go from bent knee to straight knee), I'm gonna ask them if I should use that after I finish lengthening.

1. So adductor/abductor machines won't hurt too much? And they will help you build stabilizing muscles/eventually help you walk? It sounds like a good idea, I haven't thought about that yet because my hips feel sort of odd in certain motions , I'm doing gnail femurs now

I will say that when I try to walk, I don't yet feel stable unless I have a medium to wide stance with the legs or having my crutches obviously. I'm not sure which muscles are responsible for allowing someone to walk up straight with legs close ish to each other but I'm assuming some kind of stabilizing muscles

2. Is "limb press" another name for the leg press or is it another machine?

thanks!!

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Quote from: SpeedDialer on November 15, 2022, 01:52:47 PMWhether you should stop working out certain muscles (because the PT in Athens told me if you have really big muscular thighs, it can make clicking for femurs more painful)..- I'm not sure-- especially for tibias, it sort of feels like stretching calves with things like slant boards is already almost kind of working them out

I do have muscular thighs so I was trying to learn/read about it as well. I remember someone in the forum mentioned it can be harder to connect with the magnet but not sure if true. I asked Rozbruch & his team and they didn't say it's needed.

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Quote from: SpeedDialer on November 15, 2022, 03:08:57 PMYeah this sounds like a good idea, I think I might do this when I get back to the United States after I finish my stay in Athens. I think the PT place in Athen has a uh what's it called, that quad only exercise machine (you go from bent knee to straight knee), I'm gonna ask them if I should use that after I finish lengthening.

1. So adductor/abductor machines won't hurt too much? And they will help you build stabilizing muscles/eventually help you walk? It sounds like a good idea, I haven't thought about that yet because my hips feel sort of odd in certain motions , I'm doing gnail femurs now

I will say that when I try to walk, I don't yet feel stable unless I have a medium to wide stance with the legs or having my crutches obviously. I'm not sure which muscles are responsible for allowing someone to walk up straight with legs close ish to each other but I'm assuming some kind of stabilizing muscles

2. Is "limb press" another name for the leg press or is it another machine?

thanks!!

1. No and if it would hurt than stop. I have started with all kind of leg muscle machines from day 5 after surgery and have practiced them on a daily basis (so was Betz’s advice) always with a minimum weight! It is only about getting your joints flexible and to stop the muscle decrease which you will suffer due to the missing mobility.

Of course if you are not feeling stable you need to start with smaller steps but it is important to do any movement on a daily basis. The worst you can do is to relax and only stand up for stretching…
I mean why do you think the professional sport person are all coming back as soon as possible into their training? They know that standstill is the worst you can do for your body…

2. yep I meant leg press.