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Posted on May 29, 2022, 5:04 am
#171

Quote from: informationispower on May 06, 2022, 09:34:32 PMI actually find it weird that so few noticed such a great increase. 8cm is a lot (atleast, I think it is). And you went from somewhat shortish to a hair above  average. Maybe people notice but don't say anything as the vast majority don't know of the possibility to grow after puberty.

Anyway it is nice to see everything is going smoothly for you.

Take care

It's a lot, but it also isn't. Most people don't know about CLL or can't imagine that you did CLL and they also know that adults can't grow, so they just experience major cognitive dissonance and you can even see the gears in their head turning when they see you taller. You'll be gaslighting them without saying a single word. Of course, that's just the people that know you well; those who don't know you well aren't going to remember how tall you were whatsoever.

Here are some more recent social encounters:

  • Met friends of my parents who have known me since I was a child. One of them kept saying that I looked skinnier than before and that I was staying in great shape for my age.
  • Met a relative for the first time in a while and he actually called me out on it. I just gave him a blank look and said that I haven't grown since college and he dropped the subject after that.
  • Met a short female friend for the first time in 2 or 3 years and I actually don't remember how tall she was and she definitely didn't remember how tall I was either.
  • Was at a party and there was a guy around my starting height who was talking to the same hot girl as me. I thought both of us would have had about the same chance of getting her but he just randomly gave up and left her with me. Probably grasping at straws here, but I wonder if he would have tried harder if we were the same height.
  • At a social event, randomly ran into a girl who rejected me for being short 4-5 years ago. She said I was looking good and checked to make sure we still have each other's numbers. She clearly doesn't even remember how tall I was before.
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Posted on May 29, 2022, 2:54 pm
#172

Quote from: BelowTheMean on May 29, 2022, 05:04:05 AMIt's a lot, but it also isn't. Most people don't know about CLL or can't imagine that you did CLL and they also know that adults can't grow, so they just experience major cognitive dissonance and you can even see the gears in their head turning when they see you taller. You'll be gaslighting them without saying a single word. Of course, that's just the people that know you well; those who don't know you well aren't going to remember how tall you were whatsoever.

Here are some more recent social encounters:

  • Met friends of my parents who have known me since I was a child. One of them kept saying that I looked skinnier than before and that I was staying in great shape for my age.
  • Met a relative for the first time in a while and he actually called me out on it. I just gave him a blank look and said that I haven't grown since college and he dropped the subject after that.
  • Met a short female friend for the first time in 2 or 3 years and I actually don't remember how tall she was and she definitely didn't remember how tall I was either.
  • Was at a party and there was a guy around my starting height who was talking to the same hot girl as me. I thought both of us would have had about the same chance of getting her but he just randomly gave up and left her with me. Probably grasping at straws here, but I wonder if he would have tried harder if we were the same height.
  • At a social event, randomly ran into a girl who rejected me for being short 4-5 years ago. She said I was looking good and checked to make sure we still have each other's numbers. She clearly doesn't even remember how tall I was before.

Sounds like things are going well for you. Happy for you bro

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Posted on Jun 10, 2022, 10:52 pm
#173

Quote from: user9999999 on May 29, 2022, 02:54:16 PMSounds like things are going well for you. Happy for you bro
Yes, life is great!

Nail Removal Surgery +2 Months

Hey everyone, I'm back will a full update! This one will have some information on scar removal for those interested!

Walking: No issues, 100%. Not even worth talking about.

Running: I have only run briefly a few times to catch the train or rush across the street, but nothing like distance running on a track or treadmill yet. I was thinking about waiting it out but decided it would be better to find an orthopedic surgeon and get X-rays and have him clear me for sports. I really don't feel like explaining why I did CLL to yet another doctor and I'll have to pay for the consult and X-ray but if I can get a definitive date for when I can resume sports it would be worth it. I'm not sure if I will still have leg pain when running but I won't be able to find out until I try running fast.

Weight Lifting: My upper body is more or less back to peak physique and I'm very happy about that. I haven't been doing any squats or deadlift yet though (even with zero weight). Like running, I want to take it easy because the doctor said my screw holes could take up to 6 months to fill after nail removal (though most peoples fill in way sooner than that). Once I get that X-ray I will know if I can squat or not yet yet.

Cardio: Because I haven't been running I haven't really been able to push my cardio levels to the limit. I can get my heart rate pretty high though walking uphill at a brisk pace on the treadmill or using the elliptical. I think I might still have some issues with my heart rate, but I will give myself a bit more time to recover before I start worrying about it.

Sports: No sports yet. I've had friends invite me to play tennis and I had to decline because I wasn't sure if I could sprint and change directions quickly without looking goofy yet.

Nerve Issues: My shins have full sensation now, but they still are a little more tingly than they should be when I touch them. Even if it stays like this I don't mind, but I feel like it should recover back to normal.

Lower Body Physique: My butt is decent right now, but I think it could be better. I've been doing more butt exercises lately, but I think it will fill in completely when I can squat again. My legs look great otherwise as they've returned to pre-surgery thickness even though I haven't squatted or deadlifted in months. My calves never atrophied even while lengthening.

Dating: I'm completely comfortably with my new height in dating now. I don't give a crap about height in dating at all. Of course, it helps that I'm taller than almost all girls now, but recently I went out with a 5'9" girl who was taller than me in heels and I just didn't care. Does being average height help me in dating? I don't actually think so; LL just removed the penalty from being short. I have never had problems getting girls anyway, my problem was getting past the perceived height hurdle in my head, which LL was able to address perfectly. Now when a girl asks me how tall I am on a dating app, instead of being triggered I just take it as a sign that she's interested enough in me to actually care what my height is. I've got some pretty good responses for this now (without even saying how tall I am) and in fact almost all of the girls that asked this question have actually agreed to meet me in person BelowTheMean – Stryde Femurs w/ Dr. Debiparshad – Nov 2020

Social: I met a few more people for the first time since LL who knew my original height but nothing interesting to report. No one noticed, even the ones who I surpassed in height. I'm not worried at all about people noticing the change in height because so few people have. Once my scars are faded I won't even be worried when I'm wearing a swimsuit.

Scars: I've seen people on the forum asking about scar treatments recently so hopefully this is helpful. I got a consult from a dermatologist in a skin and cosmetic surgery practice about 2-3 weeks after my nail removal surgery. She said that it was great that I reached out so soon after surgery because it's actually easier to fix a scar that's currently forming than a scar that's already been around for a while. At the consult she gave me injections of some sort (steroids?) into each lumpy part of every scar, so I got poked about 20 times by a small needle which kind of hurt. The injections were $150 and the consult was $200. I also bought a bottle of silicone gel to use as a topical scar cream and scheduled a followup to do laser treatments. The next day I noticed that some of my scars were already smoother. I forgot about it until a month or so later when I went in for my second appointment and at that point noticed that all of my scars were less bumpy and two of them were actually very smooth. She did a second round of the same injections and then I got two types of laser treatment. The first was the ExcelV laser which cost $350/session and is supposed to fade the color from the scar. The second was the Fraxel laser, which cost $500/session and can actually reduce the scar itself. The ExcelV laser did not hurt at all, but for the Fraxel laser they had to apply Lidocaine as a topical anesthetic first. Even with my skin numb, the Fraxel laser hurt like hell on my legs and the doctor went over each scar 2-3 times with a few minutes in between. After the lasers I noticed that my scars were super red, like they were sunburnt. The doctor gave me a cream to apply over the scars twice daily and told me that the redness would go away in 7-10 days, but the full effect on my scars wouldn't be seen for a good 1-3 months. She also said that I should come back for another round of the ExcelV laser in about a month. In total, I anticipate that my scar treatments will cost about $1800 in total, which is nothing compared to LL. However, I probably won't be able to say what the final scars will look like for a long time.

Final Thoughts: I plan to stick around for at least another month or two. I will check back in after my X-ray and final laser scar treatment to let you guys know how things are going. Maybe I'll even stay until I hit the 9:00 mile mark and am comfortable squatting. I really don't have much interest chatting about LL or height anymore; I just want to finish this journal to leave a complete record for any future lengtheners to refer to and I'm basically ready to move on.

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Posted on Jun 11, 2022, 12:09 am
#174

"Does being average height help me in dating? I don't actually think so; LL just removed the penalty from being short"

I dont understand the phrase. When you say penalty you mean the percieved penalty YOU thought you had with regards to height?

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Posted on Jun 11, 2022, 1:36 am
#175

I think he meant LL didn't necessarily help him get more girls. However, it cures his height neurosis when it comes to dating game.

@Op: Why did you wait more than 1y to get the nail removed? If I remember correctly, there was 1 patient of Dr. Debiparshad on this forum also lengthen femur ~8cm, removed his nail after exactly 1y and snapped his femur. Bad enough it happened to him when he was back home in Canada (again if I remember correctly). So did you wait longer than 1y to ensure sufficient bone healing?

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Posted on Jul 10, 2022, 9:54 pm
#176

Quote from: informationispower on June 11, 2022, 12:09:06 AM"Does being average height help me in dating? I don't actually think so; LL just removed the penalty from being short"

I dont understand the phrase. When you say penalty you mean the percieved penalty YOU thought you had with regards to height?
What I'm trying to say is that I don't think being taller helps as much we want to believe it does when we go through with this. Since I've been at my current height I don't feel like I've actually met any girls with a strict height requirement, but maybe it's because I'm just tall enough now not to trigger that topic. However, no girls have called me tall or anything like that, so I don't think I have an advantage from height, I'm just not crapped on for being short. I'm also more acutely aware of short guys with girls walking around in the street and it reminds me that height isn't everything. I suppose you could say that after LL it's not immediately apparent that height helps with dating even if we believe it does. However, with that said, I'd still rather be my current height any day versus my original height, and I don't regret doing LL even one tiny bit.

Quote from: motoboarder on June 11, 2022, 01:36:41 AMI think he meant LL didn't necessarily help him get more girls. However, it cures his height neurosis when it comes to dating game.

@Op: Why did you wait more than 1y to get the nail removed? If I remember correctly, there was 1 patient of Dr. Debiparshad on this forum also lengthen femur ~8cm, removed his nail after exactly 1y and snapped his femur. Bad enough it happened to him when he was back home in Canada (again if I remember correctly). So did you wait longer than 1y to ensure sufficient bone healing?
I removed my nails when it was convenient for me. I mentioned in my journal that I leaned on the later side so my bone would be stronger rather than weaker, especially since I didn't have any lysis issues from the Stryde nail.

Nail Removal Surgery +3 Months

Bone Strength: I was too impatient to keep waiting for the conservative 6-month mark to resume sports, so I booked an appointment with a local orthopedic surgeon (trauma specialist) to get X-rays. He was surprisingly not judgmental at all about me having done CLL. On the X-ray I could clearly see the half of a screw (probably a good 2cm long) left in one of my femurs above the knee. I'm not too concerned about it since it doesn't set off metal detectors. I guess it's the remaining evidence from my procedure that I'll never be able to get rid of. The remaining screw holes were almost, but not entirely filled out. The surgeon said he didn't see any problem at all with me returning to sports, but to start off easy because my muscles were probably weak, having not been exercising my legs for a few months.

Weight Lifting: I've started doing squats and deadlifts again with weights. I'm also doing other leg exercises and overall I'm much weaker than before. I've only gotten in 3 leg days since I was cleared to resume weight lifting, but my estimated 1RM right now is only about 40% of my historical 1RM on both squat and deadlift. It is going up quite fast though, and I expect after a few weeks or months of heavy leg workouts I can get fairly strong again.

Running: I have not started timing my runs yet, but I have been jogging occasionally when I'm outside. I need to record a video of myself running on the treadmill because I'm a bit afraid that it might look awkward when I run. The pain that I felt when I ran with the nails still in was 100% because of the nails. I don't feel any of that pain now when I run, so I'm very happy to say that it was not an issue with my body, but the nails inside.

Cardio: Since I haven't started doing timed runs on the treadmill I don't have any new data here. I noticed that doing fast uphill walks on the treadmill still gets my heart rate up pretty quickly. I'm not sure how to recover from the high heart rate issue at this point, but I think once I start doing timed runs hopefully I will be able to quantify it better at least.

Sports: I have not done any impact sports yet. Maybe I'll try playing some tennis once I'm confident my run looks good.

Nerve Issues: No noticeable changes.

Lower Body Physique: Looks normal now, but once I can increase the weight on squats and deadlifts I think any problems I have here will be solved.

Dating: I'm 100% back to my old self in the dating game (with the addition of more height). I've even hooked up with some 5'9"-5'10" girls recently and none of them said a thing about my height. I haven't encountered any girls calling me short lately, and I haven't even met any height queens, just a few girls who said they would only date guys taller than them. I can't say for sure if being taller has helped with any individual girls, but I do believe it has expanded my dating pool (which is not something easy to measure). I haven't gotten a single comment from any girl about my scars, even though they are still very obvious due to the color.

Social: Since LL I think I've met all of my extended family and old friends now, except for a few living outside of the country. I think I can conclude now that I got away with not telling a single person that I did this. I don't think anyone suspects me, especially now that I've completely recovered. If you do this, don't tell anyone. Apparently it's pretty easy to get away with because no one will remember your height in enough detail to confidently say that you grew taller in your 30s and call you out on it. They'll just think that they remembered incorrectly.

Scars: I saw the dermatologist one more time to get another round of ExcelV laser treatment (the one that removes color). This time she turned up the intensity so it hurt a little, but not quite as much as an injection. I think she has been doing a really good job because all my scars now have the same texture as the surrounding skin, the only difference is the color, which should fade over time. For me it has definitely been worth it to pay for laser treatment, even if only to make the healing process faster.

Final Thoughts: I've got about one more journal entry left in me before leaving this forum for good. I feel like my journal is complete enough already. I just want to hit that 9:00 mile goal that I mentioned in my first post so I can say I hit all my recovery goals and then peace out. If you have any questions, it's your last chance to ask! Overall, I'm 100% happy that I did CLL, no regrets at all. If you have the time and money to do internals and have a pretty good life outside of your height yet feel the need to be taller, then I would say just do it. Just be prepared that it might take 1.5-2 years per segment to fully recover. If you have other issues with your life outside of height, it might be more cost effective to fix those first.

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Posted on Jul 12, 2022, 5:26 pm
#177

Thanks a lot for your diary! A good amount of deep thoughts in it  BelowTheMean – Stryde Femurs w/ Dr. Debiparshad – Nov 2020


You talked about not having your height neurosys anymore. However, for long time you (we) have built your personality in this dysforia, between many other things. Do you think that now your mind is focusing in another kind of personal complex? Such as skin colour, tone of voice, amount of hair…

My fear is that after “solving this problem” I wont be satisfied because any other complex, or find psicological excuses to everydays matters throw it.

Thanks in advanced! Kind regards

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Posted on Sep 19, 2022, 5:49 am
#178

Quote from: mtaker on July 12, 2022, 05:26:07 PMThanks a lot for your diary! A good amount of deep thoughts in it  BelowTheMean – Stryde Femurs w/ Dr. Debiparshad – Nov 2020


You talked about not having your height neurosys anymore. However, for long time you (we) have built your personality in this dysforia, between many other things. Do you think that now your mind is focusing in another kind of personal complex? Such as skin colour, tone of voice, amount of hair…

My fear is that after “solving this problem” I wont be satisfied because any other complex, or find psicological excuses to everydays matters throw it.

Thanks in advanced! Kind regards

Hi mtaker,

I think it's impossible for anyone to feel like they're perfect, so yes, even after LL there are still things that I want to change about myself. However, I don't have the same burning intensity for anything else in my mind as I did for height. So yes, it certainly can't cure all your psychological issues with your body, but it's one giant step toward being more satisfied with yourself. Ultimately I spent over $90K on everything associated with the surgery and a lot of time that I could have been out enjoying life but I still think it was definitely worth it.

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Btw, two comments about this journal:

  • I will try to write a new journal entry in about two weeks. I seem to have hit another snag in my recovery and I don't think I can run a 9:00 mile this year, so I guess I still might be on this forum for a while. Otherwise, everything else is going fairly well.
  • I'm deleting the YouTube channel associated with this journal. It seems like CLL is getting more and more mainstream and while I don't think there's anything in the videos that can out me, I'd rather not have it floating out there, esp. as the channel is tied to my main Google account.
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Posted on Sep 19, 2022, 6:07 pm
#179

Hey BTM..Do you think Dr Debiparshad has a lot of tech workers as his patients as he is claiming in that GQ article?

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Posted on Sep 25, 2022, 1:17 am
#180

Were pretty similar in that Im a tad over 5'7 and will end about your height.  I have surgery in January (Betz) and I'm really interested in your scars.  Any chance you could post pics?  I know its a pain but it would be a huge help.  And you detailing your treatment is already super helpful. Thank you.

Also what do you think about tattooing the scars?  Normally I wouldnt like this idea but the idea you can go in and have them gone in a day is appealing rather than waiting years.  Might look weird with sun though.

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