BelowTheMean – Stryde Femurs w/ Dr. Debiparshad – Nov 2020

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Hey Everyone,

I haven't been thinking that much about LL recently so I haven't been on the forum much. I will try to find time to write an update when I get a chance. In the meantime I'll answer some questions here.

Quote from: Realistic on September 19, 2022, 06:07:32 PMHey BTM..Do you think Dr Debiparshad has a lot of tech workers as his patients as he is claiming in that GQ article?
Yes, I fully believe that. Just based on this forum you should know that there are a lot of tech workers with more money than height doing LL in the first place.

Quote from: lessthanavg8300 on September 25, 2022, 01:17:53 AMWere pretty similar in that Im a tad over 5'7 and will end about your height.  I have surgery in January (Betz) and I'm really interested in your scars.  Any chance you could post pics?  I know its a pain but it would be a huge help.  And you detailing your treatment is already super helpful. Thank you.

Also what do you think about tattooing the scars?  Normally I wouldnt like this idea but the idea you can go in and have them gone in a day is appealing rather than waiting years.  Might look weird with sun though.
Regarding posting scar pics: No, absolutely not.

• I don't want any potentially identifying pics of me on the internet. In fact, I just deleted all my YouTube videos from this journal too.
• I don't want to contribute to the pool of internal femur scar pics already online. I don't want more and more people knowing what the scars for an IM rod installation look like.
• Pics and videos don't work for me on the forum so I can't see what I or anyone else posts anyway.

Regarding tattoos I don't have any so I think it would look weird if I had them just on the scars. The ones around my knees are the only ones I'm concerned about anyway. While I'm kind of nervous about them, none of the girls I've met so far have cared yet. I just tell them it's from a sports injury.

Quote from: chosenundead on October 05, 2022, 04:04:57 PMI wanted to follow up with two more questions, if you don't mind. In your reply, you said:

"And I've noticed some circumstantial evidence that the physical aspect of the change is causing some differences in how I'm being perceived."
 I'm curious if you could elaborate a little bit more on the circumstantial evidence here. (I think in your diary you mentioned that you were speaking/flirting with a woman at a party with another man present, that he eventually left, and the question crossed your mind how much your present height may have had to do with that- perhaps this was part of that?)

Secondly, do you think that this feeling of improved comfort in your own skin has improved your confidence in interpersonal interactions unrelated to the dating sphere? I know you said that there were never any issues in e.g. the workplace or in platonic friendships with your height, but I'm curious about, for you, what this improved comfort & confidence has meant to you day-to-day.

Feel free to copy and paste these answers into your diary thread if you like, if you'd rather 'get more mileage' out of the time you spend on this forum -- to which you've already given many hours of your time. Thanks again for your contributions to this community.
Really, to both your questions I think it's the small and novel things that you notice that make a lot of the difference, whether it's internal or external. Things such as girls going on their tiptoes to kiss you, more people moving out of the way when you are walking toward each other on the sidewalk, etc. I don't really have specific things to point out anymore since it's been a while and I don't think of my height as my "new height". I've already totally adjusted to it and I can't even imagine being 3 inches shorter anymore.

Anecdotally I'm still reminded about height as a concept often. Recently I was having dinner with some acquaintances and one of the guys was single and pretty cool and the girls kept saying they would set him up with their friends. Then after we all got up to leave I saw that he was about 5'6". I texted one of the girls later out of curiosity to see if she actually introduced him to anyone and she told me something along the lines of "No. He's a good guy, but as soon as he stood up I knew none of my friends would ever consider dating him."

Another girl (around 5'4") who I hooked up with recently said I was barely tall enough to date her. She said she has a friend around her height that doesn't date any guys under 6'1" and preferred 6'3"+ guys. She then said that she herself was more "generous" on the height of the guys she dates. I would feel bad about it but I'm guessing pre-LL this girl wouldn't even look at me. Plus after LL I just don't care what girls things about my height anymore. It's like someone complaining about how their life sucks because of some mundane issue to a veteran who lost an eye in combat.

Recently I went out partying with a 190cm (6'3") and a 198cm (6'6") guy and saw quite a few girls throwing themselves at these guys. The 190 guy is pretty good looking but the 198 one doesn't even have an attractive face. It was interesting seeing the 190 guy feel short and looking up to the 198cm guy though.. I guess feeling tall or short is definitely a relative thing as Dr. Paley talks about in his interviews! At the club we visited over 60% of the guys were 6'+. Admittedly I was wearing lifts (knowing that I was going to be hanging out with these guys) and I was still below average height in there. All I can say is just don't visit these types of places. I don't feel short at all when I'm with the general public, which is what counts I guess. It's not like I'm out trying to pick up girls in the club every night lol

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Americans are really height fetishists I must say. Even though height is considered an attractive trait globally, thr stories from the U.S are like a different planet when it comes to height cutoffs

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Fair enough and good reasons for no pics.  Do you get embarrassed being around family knowing you had this procedure or have they just kind of accepted it?  Glad you're in a better mental spot after the process.  I understand how being short just seems like a distant memory.  Looking forward to getting there myself.

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Thats because many American women are extremely materialistic and clout competitive.  It really comes from nonstop advertising and media indulgence and they get into competition with their girlfriends.  The height preferences does comes from some natural preference, but its increasingly more to do with impressing people....because they have been told that impresses people.  These are also the same women that will leave you when you lose your job though.  Any women who treats you like a piece of jewlery to show around is not going to be loyal down the road.  So after LL I will still be avoiding the height centric women like the plague.  Its reasonable for women to have a height preference, but the "only 6ft and over" girls are the ones you actually want to avoid if you want to be happy with someone in the end.

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Quote from: lessthanavg8300 on October 20, 2022, 04:54:41 PMThats because many American women are extremely materialistic and clout competitive.  It really comes from nonstop advertising and media indulgence and they get into competition with their girlfriends.  The height preferences does comes from some natural preference, but its increasingly more to do with impressing people....because they have been told that impresses people.  These are also the same women that will leave you when you lose your job though.  Any women who treats you like a piece of jewlery to show around is not going to be loyal down the road.  So after LL I will still be avoiding the height centric women like the plague.  Its reasonable for women to have a height preference, but the "only 6ft and over" girls are the ones you actually want to avoid if you want to be happy with someone in the end.

I live in a European country with an average height of 176 177 !)and I dont know of any 175cm guy and up who thinks he struggles because of his height. Neither many women say they only date 183cm and up.
You americans are really fked up

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Yes, I agree with the posts above. Certain American girls can be very obsessed with height, and not just from mainstream culture. It's something you just have to deal with.

Nail Removal Surgery +8 Months

It's been so long since I updated my journal. Life has definitely gotten in the way as I've simply moved on from this whole process or from thinking about it very much. I will probably not be making any updates for a long time, though if I have a major progression in recovery I might come back and check in.. or maybe years down the line if I'm bored someday.

Bone Strength: I have had no issues here, I stopped worrying about my bone strength or even about hitting my leg against things a long time ago.

Weight Lifting: I still have some trouble doing deadlifts and squats. I'm weaker than before and don't think I will ever get back to my previous 1RM on either. My squat positioning is very different as well, though I can still squat. I just don't care enough about lifting right now to make increasing weights a priority. My vertical is terrible now. I tried jumping a bunch at the gym and I can't jump very high and get worn out quickly.

Running: I don't think I'm going to reach my 9:00 mile goal. I barely managed to do 800 meters in 4:30 on one attempt and that'll have to be good enough for me. I can run 1-1.5 miles at a slow pace before I get tired, and even then I have to stop 1-2 times in the middle. It still feels a little awkward to run, though not painful. I wouldn't recommend doing this surgery if you want to be able to run fast afterwards. Or maybe do 6cm instead of 8cm? I think the last 2cm really stretched my soft tissue beyond full athletic recovery. I'm personally okay with the tradeoff though as every bit of height was important to me at that time.

Cardio: I still have the same heart rate problem. Once I start running for 5+ minutes at a moderate pace my heart rate shoots up to dangerous levels. I'm not sure if my heart is actually beating that fast, or if there's something wrong with the sensor or rhythm but after my surgeries I've definitely had major issues with cardio. I should probably consider getting it looked at, but I don't really want to open up to another doctor about LL, especially one that's not an orthopedic surgeon.

Sports: I got a chance to go skiing for the first time after nail removal. It pretty much feels the same as it did pre-LL, and I'm even less concerned with falling now that the nails are out and I'm fully consolidated. I will say at a high level the reduced leg strength and flexibility, and higher center of gravity really does wear you out faster, but I can still ski at 95% of my previous level and I'm still learning new things, so I would say this hasn't impacted much. I played tennis a few times as well and I almost fell trying to stop myself quickly while running. Fortunately I didn't, because that would have been embarrassing. Golf and swimming are just like before as well. I definitely have some work to do here, but I'm feeling good about all the sports that I play.

Nerve Issues: No noticeable changes. There is still a tinge of numbness on my shins, but I've long learned to deal with it. I get reminded of LL when someone touches my shin, but so does seeing all the giant scars on my leg. Numbness is not a big deal, especially since no one else knows.

Lower Body Physique: There was one girl who said my butt was kind of flat, and I do agree to an extent. I need to work it more, but I definitely have some limits in the gym. I think this is something that'll have to be done long term. Hopefully I can get an ideal rear end, but my current butt hasn't stopped me from anything yet (including sleeping with the girl who complained about it).

Dating: I don't think there's much else to say here that I haven't already mentioned. LL will certainly help with dating whether it's psychological (internal) or in actuality (external). As for how much it helps.. probably not that much. It just gets you over the minimum barrier for some girls who care about it. After that your looks, physique, and wallet matter way more! After all, you can't survive in the dating world on height alone (though some guys certainly try). I think I overestimated how much height is worth in dating when I first got taller, but now I'm more of a realist. I've been back to my original dating life for a while now; I feel like I'm more successful with girls, but who knows if that's actually the case. Regardless, no complaints here and I'm still happy being taller than not in regards to dating.

Social: I met some other friends whom I hadn't seen in about four years. None of them noticed that I grew taller, though one said I looked skinnier. Pretty much par for the course compared to all the other people from my past that I met. I think everyone has seen me with my new height now and I managed to get away with not tell a single other soul (IRL). In general when I go out in public I feel like I'm slightly above average height and when I'm out partying with the yuppie crowd I'm slightly below average height. I'm pretty happy at this height and it really is not a concern to me. I can always wear small lifts with the yuppie crowd to reach average height if I'm concerned about it.

I was partying again with the good looking 190cm bro I talked about in an earlier post, and this one hot girl that we were both chatting with actually went with me over him. I asked her about it later and she said his hair was too long. Yea, it's anecdotal, but height is not the be-all end-all of dating.. sometimes people have random preferences or just click. There's another 188cm guy who was at a party I was at a few weekends ago (with way more girls than guys) and he was just playing on his phone the whole time. Since he didn't show any interest, none of the girls talked to him (though there were definitely some eyeing him). He actually complained to me later too that no one wanted to socialize with him. I think with or without LL, we can make the best of our social lives by being confident and outgoing. While I'm definitely an introvert, I go out with purpose and actively try to override my tendency to stay quiet. LL has help me take the focus off height in all my social interactions - whether related to dating or not.

Scars: My scars have probably faded a little over the last half a year, but I haven't really noticed it day-to-day. I'm still protecting them 100% from the sun. Girls that I hook up definitely all notice, though they don't seem to care that much.

Proportions: The scars are way more of an issue than the proportions. I'm not concerned about the proportions at all. None of the girls I've dated have noticed any issues with my proportions so I don't think it's a concern.

Final Thoughts: I don't have that much more to say about CLL. It's so internalized for me now I just don't remember being my original height. It's probably the same thing that people feel during at the end of their natural growth phase. I think my current height is good enough and it's not limiting me anymore. It's at that level where I neither get any benefits from being tall nor any drawbacks from being short. I don't really envy taller guys anymore, though I still feel a little bad for short guys sometimes, especially now that I live in a taller city. Most short guys don't care though, they don't have ambitions to date someone out of their league, want to make a living from their physical appearance, or let their height affect them. I think we on this forum are the ones who care the most about height by far.

I know in this post I'm not really being super positive, but that's because I'm used to all the benefits and changes in height now and it's all internalized and I have more time to think about the issues instead. I know I sacrificed some physical function to gain this height, but I'm okay with the amount sacrificed. Maybe I would be more athletic if I only did 6cm instead of 8cm, but there's no point for me to think about it. Overall, I'm 100% happy that I made the decision to do CLL; I don't regret that I'm less athletic since I'm still able to play my favorite sports with my friends. I suck at running and jumping now, but the only time I run outside of the gym is when I need to catch the train and my extended legs can still handle that sprint.

My final review - I think CLL (with a weight bearing nail) was a very good solution for me. I didn't really have any issues with my physical self or my life aside from my height, and now after LL I don't really have any major issues with myself at all. If someone else is in a similar boat then I think LL could be a good solution for them too.

Thanks for all your support over the years and again I hope you all achieve your goals or find peace with your height.

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Hi , I did precise 2.2 with DR debiparshad in april , now I am 5 months into consolidation .

congratz on your recovery so far , hope it get better and better .

I went from 168 to 176ish , hope I can get back to normal activity soon . lol .

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What a diary……. Thank you and congratz my brother!

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Quote from: LIVELIFETHEWAYIWANT on December 06, 2022, 11:23:24 PMHi , I did precise 2.2 with DR debiparshad in april , now I am 5 months into consolidation .

congratz on your recovery so far , hope it get better and better .

I went from 168 to 176ish , hope I can get back to normal activity soon . lol .


Hii, ive sent you a PM could you check it pls?

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