Betz Institute 12 cm femurs

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You clearly new to the forum and know nothing about what your're talking about. Very few patients can safetely without any complications go above 8 cms on femurs. Paley who is the most experienced surgeon when it comes to LL on this planet, has also confirmed that almost all patients can't tolerate more and the precice nail was designed not to go further because of safety reasons.

If you as a human being avoid safety warnings and tips from the top most knowledgeable surgeons or people on a given subject your're an idiot.

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Quote from: Tehn84 on July 30, 2023, 05:32:45 PMThere is the tendancy for people just to parrot what they've learned from others until it becomes 'commonly accepted'. This 8cm so-called safe limit is mainly because the Precise and Stryde nails maxed at 8cm, no other reason.

Reality is this: if you go a bit above 8cm, you'll probably be fine. 12cm is a bit extreme but I definitely think most could do 9 or 10 if the nail allows it and they're not concerned with doing incel things like squatting big weights or running marathons. If you just wanted a basic recovery where you can walk fine 9 or 10 is probably going to be fine.

Problem is that doing 9+ cms guarantees screwed proportions. Some are fine with that but many aren't

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Quote from: Tehn84 on July 30, 2023, 05:32:45 PMThere is the tendancy for people just to parrot what they've learned from others until it becomes 'commonly accepted'. This 8cm so-called safe limit is mainly because the Precise and Stryde nails maxed at 8cm, no other reason.

Reality is this: if you go a bit above 8cm, you'll probably be fine. 12cm is a bit extreme but I definitely think most could do 9 or 10 if the nail allows it and they're not concerned with doing incel things like squatting big weights or running marathons. If you just wanted a basic recovery where you can walk fine 9 or 10 is probably going to be fine.
8 safe limit derived from the empirical data instead of just an arbitrary delusion. It's dead wrong to have claimed most could do 9 or 10.

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Quote from: Sorcerer on July 30, 2023, 06:35:55 PM8 safe limit derived from the empirical data instead of just an arbitrary delusion. It's dead wrong to have claimed most could do 9 or 10.

Do you have a link to the data? Curious to see how much problems go up from 5cm to 8cm.

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https://www.tiktok.com/@le_tremba/video/7259867016461389083

this guy did 10.5cm and is walking fine.  8cm being an absolute max is nothing more than an opinion based on no studies whatsoever.  It's parroted from the fact that Precice can only handle 8cm.  US doctors impose this recommendation on patients so that they don't get hit with lawsuits.

Some patient's bodies can handle 12cm, some cant.  Just like some patients can handle 8cm and some can only handle 5cm.  It's super subjective.  If 8cm really was the max limit on femurs, patients with dwarfism wouldn't be able to grow 10-12 inches from LL.  Some of ya'll really don't think outside of the box and believe anything you're told.

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Quote from: DanishViking on July 30, 2023, 05:48:41 PMYou clearly new to the forum and know nothing about what your're talking about. Very few patients can safetely without any complications go above 8 cms on femurs. Paley who is the most experienced surgeon when it comes to LL on this planet, has also confirmed that almost all patients can't tolerate more and the precice nail was designed not to go further because of safety reasons.

If you as a human being avoid safety warnings and tips from the top most knowledgeable surgeons or people on a given subject your're an idiot.

I've forgotten more about LL than you know boyo, you're nothing more than another prospective patient. When you actually do the surgery maybe then I'll listen to what you have to say.

Quote from: informationispower on July 30, 2023, 06:07:59 PMProblem is that doing 9+ cms guarantees screwed proportions. Some are fine with that but many aren't

If 9cm has screwed proportions it's likely 8 did as well.

Quote from: Confidence on July 31, 2023, 01:37:31 AMhttps://www.tiktok.com/@le_tremba/video/7259867016461389083

this guy did 10.5cm and is walking fine.  8cm being an absolute max is nothing more than an opinion based on no studies whatsoever.  It's parroted from the fact that Precice can only handle 8cm.  US doctors impose this recommendation on patients so that they don't get hit with lawsuits.

Some patient's bodies can handle 12cm, some cant.  Just like some patients can handle 8cm and some can only handle 5cm.  It's super subjective.  If 8cm really was the max limit on femurs, patients with dwarfism wouldn't be able to grow 10-12 inches from LL.  Some of ya'll really don't think outside of the box and believe anything you're told.

Amen, unfortunately people here are cucks who need to be told what to do and won't even breathe unless their god Paley tells them it's ok.

There just simply isn't some hard wall where 8cm is fine and 8.1cm screws you for life. It's patient dependent. Also depends on how much of a recovery is acceptable to you. If "recovery" means walking at 100% and not much else, most people could do 9, maybe even 10. If "recovery" is loading 350lbs on your back like some incel and squatting then yeah 8cm is probably the max.

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Quote from: Confidence on July 31, 2023, 01:37:31 AMhttps://www.tiktok.com/@le_tremba/video/7259867016461389083

this guy did 10.5cm and is walking fine.  8cm being an absolute max is nothing more than an opinion based on no studies whatsoever.  It's parroted from the fact that Precice can only handle 8cm.  US doctors impose this recommendation on patients so that they don't get hit with lawsuits.

Some patient's bodies can handle 12cm, some cant.  Just like some patients can handle 8cm and some can only handle 5cm.  It's super subjective.  If 8cm really was the max limit on femurs, patients with dwarfism wouldn't be able to grow 10-12 inches from LL.  Some of ya'll really don't think outside of the box and believe anything you're told.

How do you know he did 10.5cm in the femurs alone? It looks like he split it up between the femurs and tibias for 10.5cm total.

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Quote from: Height Journey on July 31, 2023, 02:57:59 AMHow do you know he did 10.5cm in the femurs alone? It looks like he split it up between the femurs and tibias for 10.5cm total.

Because he has x-rays

https://www.instagram.com/p/Crbf6GDAd6-/?img_index=1

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Quote from: Confidence on July 31, 2023, 03:07:23 AMBecause he has x-rays

https://www.instagram.com/p/Crbf6GDAd6-/?img_index=1

Yep, that's 10.5cm on the femurs. Good for him. However, I also worry for him that his internal femur nail is bent out of alignment into a knock knee position. One of the dangers of excessive lengthening.
https://imgur.com/a/YIXcM5q

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Quote from: Height Journey on July 31, 2023, 03:34:48 AMYep, that's 10.5cm on the femurs. Good for him. However, I also worry for him that his internal femur nail is bent out of alignment into a knock knee position. One of the dangers of excessive lengthening.
https://imgur.com/a/YIXcM5q

His walking looks fine, video here: https://www.instagram.com/p/CvIUhqjN-Hm/