Quote from: Tehn84 on July 31, 2023, 03:41:28 AMHis walking looks fine, video here: https://www.instagram.com/p/CvIUhqjN-Hm/
His walking is okayish. It is only 4months post lengthening though
Edit: about your answer to the proportion thing, I agree. It's not that at 7 it is OK and than suddenly at 8 it looks bad. The more you lengthen the worse it looks but again, to some it is an issue while for others (like yourself) it isn't.
Me personally, I would prefer to lengthen a conservative amount (6cms max) to maintain proportions and in the worst case scenario wear an insole if I would not be completely satisfied. Again, this is me personally and being exactly your starting height I believe that we need lesser amounts and less proportional sacrifice to reach a height that is xno longer a negative
Wait and see 10-20 years down the line and his chances of having problem with early arthisis and joint problems are much higher... Not worth gambeling with your legs and health for 1-3 cm more height. That is barely noticeable anyway for other people
I stopped clicking 10 days ago. I did 12.36cm. I have diary you can follow my entire journey.
Quote from: tomuszcek on July 29, 2023, 05:44:41 PMBetz Institute literally claims they can go for a maximum of up to 12 cm on femurs. Since that is way over the safe limit of 8 cm advised by many, how realistic is that? Are there people who've went to Dr. Betz and successfully recovered after such amount?
Some people can go up to 12 while some will stop much sooner for various reasons. It all depends on individual. I tried my best to stay disciplined and do things right as i could till end of lengthening.
Quote from: Tehn84 on July 29, 2023, 09:02:09 PMThere are guys who have done it and been fine. Also people who've ruined themselves.
Mad respect for anyone who actually gets to 12cm. It's hard enough at the latter stages of 8cm, nevermind with 4cm more added. I feel most guys would stop long before simply because of muscle and tendon tightness.
You are spot on!
Dont feed the troll.
Quote from: informationispower on July 31, 2023, 06:48:01 AMHis walking is okayish. It is only 4months post lengthening though
Edit: about your answer to the proportion thing, I agree. It's not that at 7 it is OK and than suddenly at 8 it looks bad. The more you lengthen the worse it looks but again, to some it is an issue while for others (like yourself) it isn't.
Me personally, I would prefer to lengthen a conservative amount (6cms max) to maintain proportions and in the worst case scenario wear an insole if I would not be completely satisfied. Again, this is me personally and being exactly your starting height I believe that we need lesser amounts and less proportional sacrifice to reach a height that is xno longer a negative
Assuming we stick with the standard 1cm lengthening = 1 month of recovery time, and assuming it took him 5 months to lengthen 11.5cm (accounting for probable slowdown as he got higher in the centimetres, then again this is LLT and Turkey so you never know..) I'd say 4 months post lengthening (9 months post surgery) this is a decent result. In another 2-3 months he'll be 100% normal for walking looking at this.
I'd certainly feel more comfortable doing a big amount with Betz/Becker in Germany rather than LON in the femurs in Turkey mind you. Gamble seems to have paid off here though.
I did 8.5 (which was actually 9cm on the nail as I had a 3mm discrepancy that needed correcting first, and Dr Giotikas said you need to do 2mm more than your goal to get the actual height you need because of the inaccuracy of xrays and the Q-angle). So could have done another centimetre as I think the gnail maxes out at 10cm. Kinda wish I did although I'm still very happy with the result and to have walked away unharmed and much taller. My femurs do look big, but as far as I'm aware femur/tibia ratio doesn't vary that much across the population, it's an average of 0.8 with only very small amounts of variance, so anyone lengthening any reasonable amount is gonna have 'long looking' femurs when they look in the mirror nked.
Quote from: Tehn84 on July 31, 2023, 02:41:42 AMI've forgotten more about LL than you know boyo, you're nothing more than another prospective patient. When you actually do the surgery maybe then I'll listen to what you have to say.
If 9cm has screwed proportions it's likely 8 did as well.
Amen, unfortunately people here are cucks who need to be told what to do and won't even breathe unless their god Paley tells them it's ok.
There just simply isn't some hard wall where 8cm is fine and 8.1cm screws you for life. It's patient dependent. Also depends on how much of a recovery is acceptable to you. If "recovery" means walking at 100% and not much else, most people could do 9, maybe even 10. If "recovery" is loading 350lbs on your back like some incel and squatting then yeah 8cm is probably the max.
If 10 cm has screwed proportions, it's likely 9 did as well. If 11 cm has screwed proportions, it's likely 10 did as well. If n+1 cm has screwed proportions, it's likely n did as well. See the faulty logic?
That being said, you are right about it being an individual-based thing. I did 8cm on femurs Precice and absolutely could have kept going if the machine allowed. As always, lengthen and observe. People shouldn't come in expecting that they can lengthen 12 cm, but I definitely think the vast majority of people can safely hit 8cm. 8 cm shouldn't be thought of as a "limit". It's more like the average safe amount that your typical patient can handle. Some can handle more, some can handle less.
Quote from: Tehn84 on July 31, 2023, 07:07:12 PMAssuming we stick with the standard 1cm lengthening = 1 month of recovery time, and assuming it took him 5 months to lengthen 11.5cm (accounting for probable slowdown as he got higher in the centimetres, then again this is LLT and Turkey so you never know..) I'd say 4 months post lengthening (9 months post surgery) this is a decent result. In another 2-3 months he'll be 100% normal for walking looking at this.
I'd certainly feel more comfortable doing a big amount with Betz/Becker in Germany rather than LON in the femurs in Turkey mind you. Gamble seems to have paid off here though.
I did 8.5 (which was actually 9cm on the nail as I had a 3mm discrepancy that needed correcting first, and Dr Giotikas said you need to do 2mm more than your goal to get the actual height you need because of the inaccuracy of xrays and the Q-angle). So could have done another centimetre as I think the gnail maxes out at 10cm. Kinda wish I did although I'm still very happy with the result and to have walked away unharmed and much taller. My femurs do look big, but as far as I'm aware femur/tibia ratio doesn't vary that much across the population, it's an average of 0.8 with only very small amounts of variance, so anyone lengthening any reasonable amount is gonna have 'long looking' femurs when they look in the mirror nked.
Just out of curiosity, does the actual result is the same as the mockups? I mean does it look the same or actually better/worse?
Quote from: GrowGrow123 on July 31, 2023, 07:20:14 PMIf 10 cm has screwed proportions, it's likely 9 did as well. If 11 cm has screwed proportions, it's likely 10 did as well. If n+1 cm has screwed proportions, it's likely n did as well. See the faulty logic?
That being said, you are right about it being an individual-based thing. I did 8cm on femurs Precice and absolutely could have kept going if the machine allowed. As always, lengthen and observe. People shouldn't come in expecting that they can lengthen 12 cm, but I definitely think the vast majority of people can safely hit 8cm. 8 cm shouldn't be thought of as a "limit". It's more like the average safe amount that your typical patient can handle. Some can handle more, some can handle less.
Funny how that same 'logic' is always trotted out here no problem when someone is talking about reducing their goals (i.e. no one's gonna notice 1cm extra in height bro!).
Yes it's true n+1 is likely only marginally worse than n in terms of proportions. I wasn't the one who brought up the proportions thing though, and you can just flip the same logic to a guy saying increasing a large amount will definitely ruin your proportions when it wont. Look at yourself in the mirror and decide if you like what you see is the only way to sensibly do this, but don't just stop at 8cm (unless Precise) unless that's genuinely your dream height or you look in the mirror and think increasing more in the femurs will look bad and outweigh the benefits of further height gain. But definitely don't decide based on 'the Lord our Father Paley said 8cm is the maximum', as Paley is just an orthopaedic surgeon, a very skilled one yes, but he's just a man, not a God, and is subject to the same biases and capability to be wrong on an individual case as anyone else. He's hardly going to tell prospective customers 10cm is safe for many when his nails only go to 8cm now, is he? They'd be on the next flight to Europe in that case.
Quote from: informationispower on July 31, 2023, 07:21:36 PMJust out of curiosity, does the actual result is the same as the mockups? I mean does it look the same or actually better/worse?
I never did a 8.5cm mockup. I did an 8cm one in paint before starting the lengthening as at the time I also thought of 8cm as the goal. I'm not sure if it looks exactly the same as the mockup although 0.5cm isn't going to make or break anything in this regard. I think it looks perfectly fine tbh, like I say you can definitely notice the femurs are big but that's going to apply to anyone lengthening over 5cm or so.
Of course all this only applies when you're not wearing clothes. If you're in pants then it's completely indistinguishable from the rest of the population. And I've never had any comments even when nked, although I guess a girl is unlikely to say something like that to your face even if she's thinking it.
As for the height result being the same, yes I got 8.5cm increase in 'real' height, exactly as the xrays predicted once accounting for the discrepancy between my legs and the Q angle.
You must be logged in to post a reply.