Betzbone or Precise?

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Quote from: heightiseverything on September 05, 2024, 02:19:30 PMThe question is why would you stop lengthening at 4 cm, if the maximum safe amounts are 8 cm and 6 cm, respectively? The maximum you can gain is 28 cm from this surgery if you repeat that after a minimum of one year.
Then why not repeat it again after a hear and gain another 14cm? And then in another yeat for another 14cm? And get a total of 56cm?

Really, you can't be that stupid. You are trolling.

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Quote from: Body Builder on September 05, 2024, 08:40:17 PMThen why not repeat it again after a hear and gain another 14cm? And then in another yeat for another 14cm? And get a total of 56cm?

Really, you can't be that stupid. You are trolling.

Again, I am not an idiot to argue for anything over 30 cm. Where have I done that? My analysis is based on the most probable maximum gain, and the highest anyone has done in two surgeries is around 30 cm for people with dwarfism, and 20 cm for people without (there is a guy on this forum who lengthened his femurs by 12 cm and some Apotheosis who lengthened 20 cm in total).

So if there are people who achieved these lengthenings, it IS possible. And if there are known cases of people achieving that in two surgeries, naturally the assumption is you can achieve the same lengthening (and slightly larger, but not exceeding the safe limits of 8 cm, 6-7 cm respectively on a single set) with four surgeries.

Quote from: Overdozer on August 16, 2017, 02:23:38 AMYou can lengthen 20 cm without crippling yourself, see Apo case. It's just that you have to go slow with the lengthening. In fact you can lengthen more like many dwarfs do, like 30+ cm over several surgeries (for example, lengthen femurs by 7.5 cm, then in a year lengthen tibias by 7.5, then again do femurs 7.5 and finally tibs 7.5). You obviously don't want to lengthen that much because of body proportions.

Even yourself acknowledge that larger lengthenings are possible although doing so may result in higher complications:
Quote from: Body Builder on August 16, 2017, 01:25:46 AMIt is achievable but you'll end up a cripple or someone with very limited functionality.
If someone does not want to walk again he could lengthen even 25 cm.

You may be overly skeptical because you haven't heard of anyone doing four surgeries without dwarfism, and that's perfectly ok someone has to be the first one, but it doesn't disprove anything I've written. If you think I am trolling, please refute my logic instead of resorting to assume I am not arguing in good faith, otherwise this discussion is pointless.

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Your tendons, muscles and nerves will burst at 28 cm. You'll end up in a wheelchair.

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Quote from: Robert Adam on September 06, 2024, 10:48:43 AMYour tendons, muscles and nerves will burst at 28 cm. You'll end up in a wheelchair.

No, they won’t, I am giving enough time for them to adapt before undergoing additional surgery. Please provide any sources that soft tissues don’t adapt at higher lengthenings. If I was going to do that in a single surgery, it would be a problem. Yet I am waiting a whole year after consolidation to ensure my soft tissues heal completely. If they didn’t, I will have another release surgery.

I won’t back down at any point until I’ve done exactly 28 cm regardless of any complications and circumstances. I already have chronic pain and at this point I don’t care about any of that, for the rest of my life I wish to be tall and will do anything however long it takes to achieve that.

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Do it and them tell us. Dont waste your time saying what you want to do. But is too much

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Quote from: Ted68 on August 31, 2024, 01:10:55 AMNO !... everything is different !

With clicking implants you suffer like crazy for every click... and are so many clicks !... With Precice is no pain. There are enough suffering and pain, so you don't need an extra pain to hate your life !... because that is happening with Betzbone/Gnail.

With clicking implants you cannot do reverse lengthen in case you need. For example in my case I needed to do back and forth for 20 days, so I did it because I have Precice !

Also, I know a person who got 9 cm with Betzbone and finally after 6 month of so much suffering... found they left him finish lengthening with 1.5cm discrepancy !... They didn't do the final measure and not even asked him to go to a special x-ray, CT or EOS to do the measuring...
So they just didn't care about it.... and this is malpractices  !

Hi, old thread but can you be more specific why clicking nails are much more painful than precise? Is that only because of the clicks or something else? And why are clicks painful to begin with?

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Quote from: heightiseverything on September 05, 2024, 10:09:17 PMAgain, I am not an idiot to argue for anything over 30 cm. Where have I done that? My analysis is based on the most probable maximum gain, and the highest anyone has done in two surgeries is around 30 cm for people with dwarfism, and 20 cm for people without (there is a guy on this forum who lengthened his femurs by 12 cm and some Apotheosis who lengthened 20 cm in total).

So if there are people who achieved these lengthenings, it IS possible. And if there are known cases of people achieving that in two surgeries, naturally the assumption is you can achieve the same lengthening (and slightly larger, but not exceeding the safe limits of 8 cm, 6-7 cm respectively on a single set) with four surgeries.

Even yourself acknowledge that larger lengthenings are possible although doing so may result in higher complications:
You may be overly skeptical because you haven't heard of anyone doing four surgeries without dwarfism, and that's perfectly ok someone has to be the first one, but it doesn't disprove anything I've written. If you think I am trolling, please refute my logic instead of resorting to assume I am not arguing in good faith, otherwise this discussion is pointless.
what about your wingspan?

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Quote from: way2short on September 19, 2024, 01:58:32 PMwhat about your wingspan?

It’s 5’7. I don’t care about wingspan at all, and even if I did I’d lengthen my arms also.

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Quote from: heightiseverything on September 19, 2024, 03:32:42 PMIt’s 5’7. I don’t care about wingspan at all, and even if I did I’d lengthen my arms also.
Youre quite ınteresting, im standing at 5'7 with 5'9 wingspan and i would love to be not average but tall after LL too
I was thinking about pushing 10 cms in femurs lately

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Quote from: way2short on September 19, 2024, 04:35:30 PMYoure quite ınteresting, im standing at 5'7 with 5'9 wingspan and i would love to be not average but tall after LL too
I was thinking about pushing 10 cms in femurs lately
Yeah, for 10 cm you don’t have to worry about wingspan at all, this only becomes somewhat a problem if someone lengthens over 15 cm