Quote from: Sanity on September 08, 2018, 04:56:35 PMaltering the endocrinal profile which basically means tweaking body's hormones is extremely dangerous. Much Much More dangerous than ll. I cant word it enough. Even every honest endocrinologist who tweaks with dwarf kids hormones over the years (bascially introducing extremely minute amounts of synthetic somatotropin and anti-somatostatin) says this he is probably disposing the child to cancer or heart disease or stroke but its the risk that the family agreed upon. even that changes the height by 2-3 inches at most.
ll is totally local and hormonal alteration is systematic (means it affects every cell in body, the notorious pancreatic,heart and even the cereberal cells. Which no sane man wants to disturb. (unless you are very highly qualified and experienced biochemist). Especially if the growth plates are closed there is no way possible on planet earth to "permanently" increase height with the artificial manipulation of androgens. With limb lenghtening all u can loose is legs (which is extremely rare) but vice verca u can loose ur dck, brain, heart, liver, pancreas or brain and even multiple. Its bascially high risk of Viscera vs Extremely low risk of limbs relatively.
Yes you can definitely get cancer as early as 1 year after tweaking endocrinal profile (especially if ur genetically predisposed towards it) or as late as 60 (if u had a low genetic predisposition for malignancy to start with).
Here's height at 13-18 age (see ur x-rays of epiphyseal plates): You can run the testaviron injections cycles if ur growth plates are open (x-ray will show) p.s a good aromatase inhibitor and run cycles for that for 2-3 years and that will highly increase ur bone mass and length overtime (youl be taller) but youl probably have to call in ur neighbour to fk ur wife when that limpy wont harden up. Cause testes arnt called upon to produce natrual testorone. Yes ur fked forever. Everything has its consequences. Just think the body itself can make all those androgens ezily (it already did during puberty) its very easy for the body to do that all that the hypothalamus has to do is to send a signal to the pituitary gland and wolaa!! the production begins in the respective gland. But it fking doesnt!!!. There is a reason. That reason is the hypothalamus works according to ur inherited genes. Its like a God's coding. You fk with it artificially better be ready for some serious consequences.
Just a minute amount of Clenbuterol and Cytomel (amounts as low as few micrograms) gave zyzz cardiac arrest at 21 (not sure age). Before he was showering in girls. Guy i know used deca (nandrolone) and he fked up his vscera. considered suicide. And this is just anabolics which we have more indepth research than the notorious synthetic hormones.
I've taken in all that you have said,and don't want to shortchange this reply,i don't see how you think roids permanently fk your testosterone up?I did a cycle of a prohormone(epistane at 17)and bounced back fine,i have limp dck currently as i've been on letrozole a 9 days,i've also gained 0.2 inches of height already,which i'm sure isn't a error as it's under the same circumstances every time,this is also a solo run currently aswell no Igf-1,zyzz was 23 when he died of a heart attack from a genetic condition that roids sped up,rich piana died last year of a heart attack after abusing igf-1,testosterone,tren,party drugs from 18 upwards at 47,he's a better example imo of what heavy abuse can do.One thing i will say i act like there will be no consequences for the ai abuse and igf-1,bear in mind the increase in igf-1 levels are far higher when injected(dose dependent obviously)vs mk677,a oral growth hormone secretagogue,i should mention the risks in my main thread as some teens might not do the required research,and think it's completely risk free.
Quote from: Sanity on September 08, 2018, 04:56:35 PMaltering the endocrinal profile which basically means tweaking body's hormones is extremely dangerous. Much Much More dangerous than ll. I cant word it enough. Even every honest endocrinologist who tweaks with dwarf kids hormones over the years (bascially introducing extremely minute amounts of synthetic somatotropin and anti-somatostatin) says this he is probably disposing the child to cancer or heart disease or stroke but its the risk that the family agreed upon. even that changes the height by 2-3 inches at most.
I thought @extremis already debunked the cancer growth involved in giving HGH to kids/adults ?
Quote from: Juiceslikewine on September 08, 2018, 08:00:52 PMI've taken in all that you have said,and don't want to shortchange this reply,i don't see how you think roids permanently fk your testosterone up?I did a cycle of a prohormone(epistane at 17)and bounced back fine,i have limp dck currently as i've been on letrozole a 9 days,i've also gained 0.2 inches of height already,which i'm sure isn't a error as it's under the same circumstances every time,this is also a solo run currently aswell no Igf-1,zyzz was 23 when he died of a heart attack from a genetic condition that roids sped up,rich piana died last year of a heart attack after abusing igf-1,testosterone,tren,party drugs from 18 upwards at 47,he's a better example imo of what heavy abuse can do.One thing i will say i act like there will be no consequences for the ai abuse and igf-1,bear in mind the increase in igf-1 levels are far higher when injected(dose dependent obviously)vs mk677,a oral growth hormone secretagogue,i should mention the risks in my main thread as some teens might not do the required research,and think it's completely risk free.
it wont permanently stop ur natural test production if u cycle it just a couple times but continuous cycles will. its a clear risk. nothing is set in tablet of stones. do u deny that? do u want me to show u studies by ncbi whereby the human testosterone production was so shut down it came to a permanent halt after just a few cycles of synthetic testosterone.
also the path u r taking requires that ur plates atleast not be fully ossified. is that the case?
Quote from: ZUCC420 on September 08, 2018, 08:25:38 PMI thought @extremis already debunked the cancer growth involved in giving HGH to kids/adults ?
the thing is no1 knows. we dont understand the body enough to clearly make statements. just vague opinions by top researchers, scientists and biochemists. who is to say the cancer of a 83 year old man was caused by the x-rays he had at 26? no1.
Wat i emphasise is that the body can easily make all the compounds required to increase bone length to ideal amounts. its like a piece of cake for the brain and glands with basic diet. yes it is. but it doesnt and the brain is smarter than we think. its regulating thousands of chemicals in our system. disturbing that imo is not wise. better to cut ur leg bones and let the brain think its a trauma and treat it that way.
even when ll is performed growth hormones and followup hormones are secreted. the hypothalaumus and cerebrum is a highly intelligent system. much more than any computer we will be able to build in the far future.
Quote from: Sanity on September 09, 2018, 03:35:14 PMit wont permanently stop ur natural test production if u cycle it just a couple times but continuous cycles will. its a clear risk. nothing is set in tablet of stones. do u deny that? do u want me to show u studies by ncbi whereby the human testosterone production was so shut down it came to a permanent halt after just a few cycles of synthetic testosterone.
also the path u r taking requires that ur plates atleast not be fully ossified. is that the case?
I'm fk'ing my estrogen levels up,not my testosterone production,and honestly buddy as i said previously,i don't give a rats ass about anything tbh,health risks,cancer bring it on.I'm sick of thinking i've been thinking for 6 years straight,about life and my mental problems,i'm going to do whatever it takes to reach my goals.For all you sane folk out there on this wonderful planet,i hope you use a more measured approach 
Quote from: Juiceslikewine on September 09, 2018, 10:25:42 PMI'm fk'ing my estrogen levels up,not my testosterone production,and honestly buddy as i said previously,i don't give a rats ass about anything tbh,health risks,cancer bring it on.I'm sick of thinking i've been thinking for 6 years straight,about life and my mental problems,i'm going to do whatever it takes to reach my goals.For all you sane folk out there on this wonderful planet,i hope you use a more measured approach
Good attitude. Looks is what matters, results is what matters.
"Wow, that guy is living so safe and he is so healthy, so HOT!" - said no girl ever
Quote from: 6feet2isTooShort on September 10, 2018, 12:15:10 PMGood attitude. Looks is what matters, results is what matters.
"Wow, that guy is living so safe and he is so healthy, so HOT!" - said no girl ever
Yep people like me and you need to take every risk necessary,i mean who gives a fk at this point.Low inhibition all day everyday or suicide,or whatever it takes to get there,bear in mind some peoples genetics make it so they automatically have low inhibition,or beta but so good looking and tall they get away with it.
Quote from: 6feet2isTooShort on September 10, 2018, 12:15:10 PM"Wow, that guy is living so safe and he is so healthy, so HOT!" - said no girl ever
I heard huge amount of times that women love men that take good care of themselves.
Quote from: Sanity on September 08, 2018, 04:56:35 PMaltering the endocrinal profile which basically means tweaking body's hormones is extremely dangerous. Much Much More dangerous than ll. I cant word it enough. Even every honest endocrinologist who tweaks with dwarf kids hormones over the years (bascially introducing extremely minute amounts of synthetic somatotropin and anti-somatostatin) says this he is probably disposing the child to cancer or heart disease or stroke but its the risk that the family agreed upon. even that changes the height by 2-3 inches at most.
ll is totally local and hormonal alteration is systematic (means it affects every cell in body, the notorious pancreatic,heart and even the cereberal cells. Which no sane man wants to disturb. (unless you are very highly qualified and experienced biochemist). Especially if the growth plates are closed there is no way possible on planet earth to "permanently" increase height with the artificial manipulation of androgens. With limb lenghtening all u can loose is legs (which is extremely rare) but vice verca u can loose ur dck, brain, heart, liver, pancreas or brain and even multiple. Its bascially high risk of Viscera vs Extremely low risk of limbs relatively.
Yes you can definitely get cancer as early as 1 year after tweaking endocrinal profile (especially if ur genetically predisposed towards it) or as late as 60 (if u had a low genetic predisposition for malignancy to start with).
Here's height at 13-18 age (see ur x-rays of epiphyseal plates): You can run the testaviron injections cycles if ur growth plates are open (x-ray will show) p.s a good aromatase inhibitor and run cycles for that for 2-3 years and that will highly increase ur bone mass and length overtime (youl be taller) but youl probably have to call in ur neighbour to fk ur wife when that limpy wont harden up. Cause testes arnt called upon to produce natrual testorone. Yes ur fked forever. Everything has its consequences. Just think the body itself can make all those androgens ezily (it already did during puberty) its very easy for the body to do that all that the hypothalamus has to do is to send a signal to the pituitary gland and wolaa!! the production begins in the respective gland. But it fking doesnt!!!. There is a reason. That reason is the hypothalamus works according to ur inherited genes. Its like a God's coding. You fk with it artificially better be ready for some serious consequences.
Just a minute amount of Clenbuterol and Cytomel (amounts as low as few micrograms) gave zyzz cardiac arrest at 21 (not sure age). Before he was showering in girls. Guy i know used deca (nandrolone) and he fked up his vscera. considered suicide. And this is just anabolics which we have more indepth research than the notorious synthetic hormones.
Infact only a fool would play games with hormone levels and HGH
It is fairly more dangerous than doing LL
Quote from: The Dreamer on September 10, 2018, 01:34:12 PMInfact only a fool would play games with hormone levels and HGH
It is fairly more dangerous than doing LL
Lol whatever atleast if i do grow a few inches my proportions won't be all fk'd up.Andre the giant died in his 30's i believe but lived one hell of a life,on the other hand let's live a miserable 85 years hating life 9 to 5 job,hate yourself physically hate everything about life,but muh longevity muh cancer,do whatever the fk you wanna do.Hell even go full apo if you want,just make sure you're not an avid runner or fighter or any hobby that's physically demanding for that matter.And this is assuming putting exogenous gh in your body does any long term damage to your endocrine system.
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