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Quote from: Kotiki on May 30, 2020, 12:08:05 AMThe biggest breakthrough in limb lengthening will be when they discover a way to facilitate fast healing of bone fractures. Once there's a way to heal a fracture in a matter of weeks, limb lengthening will be a walk in the park.

For tibia in particular. You can use the externals to lengthen (1-2 months) then use the new drug to consolidate quickly - and you're done. No invasive opening of the knee cap, no drilling into the bone, no reaming the bone canal with metal rods. As a bonus, you can achieve high level esthetics by medialisation, and have perfectly straight and well shaped tibia. Without any risk of permanent knee pain. You can also walk around the whole time you're in frames, and there will be only one surgery, not multiple like with other methods (insert the rod, remove the rod, wreck your knees each time in the process). As a bonus number 2, this would be very cheap provided the drug for fracture healing is affordable.

This will be the real breakthrough in limb lengthening, not the stupid Stryde.

How likely are we to see it in the foreseeable future? It's hard to tell. But multiple laboratories around the world are working on developing such a drug tirelessly. Not because they're racing to alleviate our height disphoria, but because fractures are very common and cause a lot of suffering and cost to society (think elderly falls, car accidents and sports injuries). There's a huge market for such a therapy and I don't see any reason why it couldn't be developed.

I don't think bone formation is as much of an issue as rehabilitation of muscles and soft tissues post surgery. With our STRYDE rods and  , the bone might as well be self supporting already with a fully weight bearing rod. Though I do think that bone formation would help as well post lengthening, but mostly the issue is stretching our muscles and nerves and skin and tissues, etc.

I can see HGH and some steroids like Nandrolone Decanoate and like the similar being improved upon and used to speed up callus growth. But I do think stretching of skin,muscles,nerves, is the main issue post lengthening that can be improved upon.

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Stretching of soft tissues is only an issue when going for an ambitious lengthening amount. Patients are kinda forced to do it to make the cost and the risks of surgery worth it.

If you could lengthen 3 cm with externals - cheaply, without risks associated with sticking a rod into the bone canal, and fast (two months, from surgery to full consolidation), you could conceivably do it in two goes with a year for soft tissues to stretch inbetween.
Still other patients may decide that lengthening 3-4 cm is worth it with low risk and low cost involved. And just stop at that.

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I agree, but most people aim for that ambitious amount. I wouldn't want to do such a surgery for only an inch, most people see 3 inches, 2 inches minimum in their eyes. This is for femur, since tibias obviously 3 inches is not safe. Tibias 3-4 inches seems more reasonable- but people still aim for more. Still costs the same whether you do 3 cm or 5 cm so most people will aim higher, and thus stretching of tissue becomes the singular most common issue.

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Quote from: ghkid2019 on May 30, 2020, 01:09:41 PMThis is for femur, since tibias obviously 3 inches is not safe.

Tell that to California2 who did 3.5 inches on tibias. 

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Quote from: BetzLandLiberator on May 22, 2020, 01:33:22 AM165cm before (5'5''), 174.5cm (5'9'') after. Totally changed my life, I went from bellow 5% percentile of height to average.

wtf you did almost 10cm on femur? and you re not crippled?
also 174.cm is below average. Average height here is 180cm

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Quote from: 10cmOnTibiaOrGTFO on May 30, 2020, 02:59:49 PMwtf you did almost 10cm on femur? and you re not crippled?
also 174.cm is below average. Average height here is 180cm

people routinely do 8cm on femurs...

10 cm on tibias would cripple most people.. not femurs

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Well but wont 10cm on femurs look super retarded? I cant imagine if look proportional to
The rest of your legs

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It's happening slowly but it is happening.
https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2020/02/200211140946.htm
This is only one candidate of many. Without a doubt, there will be treatments that can heal bones fast. It's only a question of how soon.

For me personally, inserting rods into the bones is just as prohibitively dangerous and unacceptable as spending a year+ in Ilizarov frames. I would gladly lengthen tibias with Ilizarov frames if quick consolidation was possible.

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wow - I had never even considered how faster consolidation could lead to an easier ll experience. You could literally do a cm at a time, leaving time for recovery in between.

Would damage to the soft tissues not be cumulative though, ie doing 4cm total in four separate spaced out procedures would eventually lead to the same sort of damage as doing 4cm in one procedure?

  Thanks for posting this information - it's really interesting.

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Quote from: 10cmOnTibiaOrGTFO on May 30, 2020, 02:59:49 PMwtf you did almost 10cm on femur? and you re not crippled?
also 174.cm is below average. Average height here is 180cm

No, I'm not crippled. I'm 100% recovered. I run, weightlift, squat, etc...
About 174.5cm being below average, well it depends where you live.

It's average in my country. In the USA it's a little bit bellow average but only like 2cm below, so any normal shoes with a bigger heel (e.g. Doc Marten, Airmax) put me in the average.

It's still night and day from being 165cm .