Don't judge.. Anyone should get it done

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Quote from: YellowSpike391 on November 20, 2014, 07:00:27 AMI've had hot women at 167cm, no PUA s**t required. And I know plenty of 173/5'8" guys who have smokehouses for gfs. Height or lack thereof does not necessarily preclude getting quality women, though more height of course helps. I'm doing LL to get to at least 5'8 to feel somewhat average-ish and blend in more. Simple as that.

Yeah of course not. PUA is fraud. They recruit gorgeous women pay them next to nothing and claim that their method is what got them those women. From my almost 28 years on this planet would say join a recreation activity in your area with guys of a similar interest (Martial Arts, Basketball, Music etc.) and you'll usually meet smoking hot women there. And college is also a great place to meet quality women.

Quote from: Uppland on November 20, 2014, 07:30:16 AMNot sure what "PUA" is ("Pick-Up Attraction"?) but if you are charming and mature you'll get your women trust me.

It's Pick Up Arts

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pickup_artist

You are correct but best way is get social proof or stand out. Go to a club/bar with a girl or a guy who's good with girls and getting women will be easier. You can also stand out just don't do the usual "Hi My name is John" or whatever your name is patter cause she'll blow you off.
But basically What I said above is the best way to get women. Make friends with some guys and get into their social circle and they'll usually have women connected to them and they'll talk to you unless you are extremely disrespectful to them.

Quote from: TheRisingShorty on November 20, 2014, 07:43:08 AMDon't take my above comment seriously. But I agree with the members that height or any PUA stuff isn't really necessary to ensure quality women.

Yeah It's always hard to tell who's being serious or not when you type but I had a feeling you were joking. PUA is all the same patter, I sucked with women so I did this and that and you can see that it yielded results cause gorgeous women are following me around or, I am not a PUA and being an alpha male is what all women want. It's all a marketing scheme. I have seen plenty of gorgeous women who could care less who's the alpha male or not.

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Quote from: TheRisingShorty on November 20, 2014, 05:35:14 AMBefore doing LL, perhaps you guys should pay RGKEY a visit, spend a month with him and learn the art of picking up women. This may probably save your legs, time, money and general wellbeing

Yup , I will learn form Master Rgkey ,hahaha .He is very good with woman   ,Master Rgkey

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Quote from: Ajax2thousand20 on November 20, 2014, 07:52:08 AMYeah It's always hard to tell who's being serious or not when you type but I had a feeling you were joking. PUA is all the same patter, I sucked with women so I did this and that and you can see that it yielded results cause gorgeous women are following me around or, I am not a PUA and being an alpha male is what all women want. It's all a marketing scheme. I have seen plenty of gorgeous women who could care less who's the alpha male or not.

Yeah it's all pretty much a marketing scheme along with all the self help books. Even the alpha male idea is pretty much overrated. If you're confident regardless how you look then you're already alpha imo.
Anyways, I don't judge or envy taller guys getting LL, I never envied taller guys even when I was 162cm. 185cm is a perfect height for a guy and should not be a hindrance when it comes to women since you're considered tall. Believe it or not but a lot of the women I know have called guys tall when they're merely 5'10 or 5'11. Only guys who have severe height neurosis hold on to the belief that a person has to be of _cm tall in order to be successful with women and in life. Perhaps, you can improve in other areas to improve your self esteem and avoid the arduous, painful and barbaric LL journey But even if you do decide and undergo LL, I will respect your decision and support you. At the end of the day, you know best what makes you happy.
Also, I'm curious to know whether you have consulted any LL doctors and which doctors are you considering? I believe that some doctors are pretty strict with height restrictions. Will you start a diary?

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Quote from: TheRisingShorty on November 20, 2014, 08:42:54 AMYeah it's all pretty much a marketing scheme along with all the self help books. Even the alpha male idea is pretty much overrated. If you're confident regardless how you look then you're already alpha imo.
Anyways, I don't judge or envy taller guys getting LL, I never envied taller guys even when I was 162cm. 185cm is a perfect height for a guy and should not be a hindrance when it comes to women since you're considered tall. Believe it or not but a lot of the women I know have called guys tall when they're merely 5'10 or 5'11. Only guys who have severe height neurosis hold on to the belief that a person has to be of _cm tall in order to be successful with women and in life. Perhaps, you can improve in other areas to improve your self esteem and avoid the arduous, painful and barbaric LL journey But even if you do decide and undergo LL, I will respect your decision and support you. At the end of the day, you know best what makes you happy.
Also, I'm curious to know whether you have consulted any LL doctors and which doctors are you considering? I believe that some doctors are pretty strict with height restrictions. Will you start a diary?

Im going to plan a consultation with Salameh in 2015 as soon as I've paid my credit card debt.
I'm hoping it works out so I can do CLL in 2016 because for a low price and the least amount of pain, he's probably #1 if not close to it. I will probably have to finance for it realistically cause I only make 20k per year.

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Quote from: Ajax2thousand20 on November 20, 2014, 08:57:07 AMIm going to plan a consultation with Salameh in 2015 as soon as I've paid my credit card debt.
I'm hoping it works out so I can do CLL in 2016 because for a low price and the least amount of pain, he's probably #1 if not close to it. I will probably have to finance for it realistically cause I only make 20k per year.

I was trying not to judge you but if you have a credit card debt, only make 20k per year and will be spending that entire amount on a surgery you don't even need (although you want it) I'll be doubting the soundness of your judgements in general. Sure, it's your life, do what you want do with it and do what makes you happy, but it's such a tragic waste of time and resources. I've spoken with way shorter guys who wanted to do this surgery and were considering going under serious debt for it, I also told them not to. As long as one has the financial stability and freedom to do LL, heck, shoot for 2 meters if you want. I don't know you personally, I just don't want you making a decision you'll regret later. Other than that, Salameh is a good choice considering your budget, but you'll have to lengthen in Frankfurt, Germany - in which case the surgery will get a tad more expensive. Surely you won't go to Syria under these conditions.

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Quote from: ChrisIsaak on November 20, 2014, 09:37:17 AMI was trying not to judge you but if you have a credit card debt, only make 20k per year and will be spending that entire amount on a surgery you don't even need (although you want it) I'll be doubting the soundness of your judgements in general. Sure, it's your life, do what you want do with it and do what makes you happy, but it's such a tragic waste of time and resources. I've spoken with way shorter guys who wanted to do this surgery and were considering going under serious debt for it, I also told them not to. As long as one has the financial stability and freedom to do LL, heck, shoot for 2 meters if you want. I don't know you personally, I just don't want you making a decision you'll regret later. Other than that, Salameh is a good choice considering your budget, but you'll have to lengthen in Frankfurt, Germany - in which case the surgery will get a tad more expensive. Surely you won't go to Syria under these conditions.

No. Syria is too dangerous. That may change when I lengthen but not counting on it. It may be longer than I expect since I financed a car in 2012 and have student loans I need to pay. I know this situation isn't permanent but it will change in the future but the near future is what I want. I think doing 2"-3" probably won't be regretful however, I do have to consider this surgery through a consultation because I know I'm human and that sometimes the things we want most could harm us. As much as some of these guys say and I don't want to admit it, I may just have Mommy/Daddy issues and I think altering my body would be a way to resolve it. I would suggest for myself though to invest in some activities and start an internship and enjoy life in the meantime because it could be a while before I can afford this surgery and even then I may reconsider one day.

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Personally I just want to stop feeling short but for some reason I can't do that. If I get to 186CM I'll meet plenty of taller men but I will take confidence in knowing I'm not objectively smaller than my friends any more. It'll be great to blend in -heightwise of course, hopefully people wll notice me on my merits.

-A question: I've heard businessmen in general are very tall (to give a upper hand in negotiations and so) is that true?

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If you read certain studies, you'll learn that most North American CEOs are many inches above average height, on average. This makes sense, since much of that realm is based on showboating and presence. Taller men would naturally be more comfortable asserting themselves in a physical fashion and to act overbearing when they feel it would be advantageous to their intent. Most people probably feel intimidated by this ability, and thus, the taller men are the most commonly found top dogs in executive roles.

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How tall are we talking? I think I read somewhere that the average swedish ceo was 186CM would you say that is a respectable height in the world of international business?

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Quote from: Uppland on November 21, 2014, 04:48:51 AMHow tall are we talking? I think I read somewhere that the average swedish ceo was 186CM would you say that is a respectable height in the world of international business?

The average american CEO is 6'3" and 6'4" (190.5-193cms) and sometimes taller. I'm doing ll to be a CEO of some corporation! lol jk.