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Posted on Aug 9, 2018, 3:57 pm
#131

doomsday, the 'obsolete nail' provided for probably the best LL results in the world (me not being the only one).  I challenge anyone to come forward and prove me wrong. Strength, endurance, athletic ability, anything you want, bring it on. You know absolutely nothing about this doctor's nail and you are not in a position to criticise. So there, I've laid down the gauntlet, either put up or shut up.

Oh and the war was mostly in the east and long over, thanks.

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Posted on Aug 10, 2018, 12:43 am
#132

There is absolutely no track record of that nail. The only person that uses it and recommends it is Dr. Jamal. He cannot be reliable source of information since he makes money of it.
There were very few patients  with this nail and some of them had problem with non-union. Not only that the old forum was very suspicious about his diaries that sounded like straight out promotion. Now we have you. Some dude out of nowhere, after 12 years decided to convince us that a nail from a sh*thole like Ukraine is superior to western devices where a patient can sue a doctor for millions. Plus the price of $470000  that can get you Precice 2 in Greece from a doc that work for NHS. Get lost loser. Your promotion will not work here.

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Posted on Aug 10, 2018, 6:22 am
#133

Quote from: doomsday on August 10, 2018, 12:43:08 AMThere is absolutely no track record of that nail.
Oh but there is. I for one and Rocky who is just finishing his lengthening phase.  Not every patient posts on forums. The doctor can put you in touch with other patients if so desired.

Quote from: doomsday on August 10, 2018, 12:43:08 AMThe only person that uses it and recommends it is Dr. Jamal
That's because the intellectual property/patents belong to him. It's his trade secret. No other doctor can use it. As I've stated elsewhere, Dr Jamal was offered the Precise nail but declined.  Jamal offers the IOS of the nail world. If you want IOS, you must go Apple. With Android on the other hand, there are a ton of manufacturers to chose from.

Quote from: doomsday on August 10, 2018, 12:43:08 AMHe cannot be reliable source of information since he makes money of it.
LMFAO, he makes money out of it?! Every other doctor does it for free/charity?!

Quote from: doomsday on August 10, 2018, 12:43:08 AMThere were very few patients  with this nail and some of them had problem with non-union.
You are now contradicting yourself by admitting the nail has a track record, albeit a bad one, but much like everything you write, it's total bullcr@ap. You cannot substantiate your claims. Bad results can be down to patient more than doctor. Regardless, no doctor will have a flawless record.

Quote from: doomsday on August 10, 2018, 12:43:08 AMSome dude out of nowhere, after 12 years decided to convince us that a nail from a sh*thole like Ukraine is superior to western devices
My result speaks for itself.  I challenge ANY LL patient of any doctor's with any nail to come forward and claim better - including you. Reading your posts, you've had LL, so why not post some photos and a vid at least showing your running? Or is it because you can't run or you run like a gimp? And what sh*thole are you from may I ask?


Quote from: doomsday on August 10, 2018, 12:43:08 AMwhere a patient can sue a doctor for millions
Perhaps this is your real motivation for wanting LL in the west. Lowlife!

Quote from: doomsday on August 10, 2018, 12:43:08 AMPlus the price of $470000  that can get you Precice 2 in Greece from a doc that work for NHS.
Lol, that would surpass Paley's pricing. Price is $47k, not "$470,000", but it's not aimed at cheapskate losers like you. LL is for successful, well educated, well travelled intelligent people who are just missing a few cm.   

Quote from: doomsday on August 10, 2018, 12:43:08 AMGet lost loser
Why don't you come and say this to my face? I've been man enough to publish my pics and videos for all to see. Come on, don't be hiding behind some anonymous forum name.

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Posted on Aug 11, 2018, 4:56 am
#134

Quote from: Purushrottam on July 28, 2018, 09:22:53 PMHey man, I appreciate the research, but I think the prices are way off.

Indeed. The largest cost increase you've factored in is complications. Sure, you never know, but I haven't heard of any Paley patients who had to pay for fixing complications. I met two patients who did have complications and Paley treated them for free.

Quote from: Purushrottam on July 28, 2018, 09:22:53 PMI had my LL in Sept 2017 and heres what I paid:

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Accomodations: I booked a handicapped accessible room with shuttles to the Paley Center last minute during the busiest season at Homewood Suites. The cost was about $90/night inclusive of taxes.

September is not the busiest season. That would be Nov - March/April. I booked March through June, and March/April prices were a lot higher, around $200/night. From March 11 to March 19 I was charged $1951.68 (!). At some point in April, the prices dropped closer to the $90/night Puru mentioned. I don't have exact prices because Homewood's bill was confusing AF, changing rates every 2 days or so.

Anyway, if you do STRYDE (which you should), I don't recommend staying at Homewood for more than two weeks or so, until you can use crutches. Then, get an Airbnb near a gym and use Uber. The reason is that with STRYDE, you'll be able to walk, so you don't need a pool. For me, pool PT was far less effective than walking (not hopping) with a walker, and later with a cane. You'll benefit most from a gym where you can work your upper body and prevent muscle atrophy in your chest and arms. I stayed at Homewood, which does not have a wheelchair accessible gym, nor much equipment beside one bench, and lost ~20% of my bench press 1RM due to not working out for ~3 months.

All in all, it's good to have a quarter mil for doing quadrilateral, but if you don't have complications, you'll be left with about $30k of that $250.

Also, I would absolutely not pay for extra PT (unless you have some particular problem I supposed). It's ridiculously expensive and surprisingly ineffective compared to rest and plain walking using the walker. While still getting PT from Mike (Paley Institute's strongest PT) I was making little progress. A couple weeks after I got home and started walking (not hopping!) with the walker, strength started to come back much more quickly, my dorsiflexion improved rapidly, and now (2 months later) I can walk unassisted (albeit with the expected hip sway). In retrospect, walking was by far the most effective PT, and often I would wake up feeling better and stronger without killing myself in the gym (on the contrary, too much biking led to extra pain the next day), as long as I got decent sleep.

Also, I don't know about this Dr. Jamal. And that says a lot. If you want safety, go with a center that does a high number of these surgeries, and with the most experience surgeon you can find. Is that Dr. Jamal with this proprietary nail that very few people have heard of? Popularity may be a weak criterion in general, but in the case of surgeries, the more experience the doctor has with a particular tool, the safer you'll be.

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Posted on Aug 11, 2018, 6:04 am
#135

Thanks for the info.
Yeah I read your coats and I get I’m being cautious with the 25k in reserve but I just want to be secure 100%.

I feel like the air BNB is going to be the  best route now, I’ll ddcintely try and find one near a gym.  I’m hoping paley thinks my timeline of being able to walk without sway within 4.5 months of surgery is do-able using Stryde.  The length of time it takes me to walk properly is going to dictate my costs ALOT since I’m not going back home until I can walk without sway.  So my new cost breakdown was:

$97,500 (internal femur with Stryde) - legnthening time of 55 days (5.5 cm).
$4,000.00 (caretaker for 2 weeks) - 16 hours x $18/hour x 14 days (don’t know if I’ll need her for that long, but we’ll see.  I just need to go through the experience and play it by ear).
$6,000.00 - (air BNB for 4 months - $1500/month) - this could be just for 3 months but again it’s all based on how well I recover and if I can walk without sway.  I’m going to be relentless with my PT and exercising.
$1800 - (food) - $15/day x 120 days
$1500 - (miscellaneous) - maybe the last month going out, universal studios etc possibility or just have this as an emergency for extra money).  I don’t plan on doing any extra PT etc.
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$110,800 USD total.  (Not including $25k reserve for complication)

I’ve gotten an opinion on this already, but if you guys see anything wrong with this or a way where I can cut some corners possibly, let me know please Dr Dror Paley (Florida, USA) Paley Advanced Limb Lengthening Institute
(The gym membership can be included in the miscellaneous along with Uber rides).

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Posted on Aug 16, 2018, 5:03 pm
#136

Dr. Paley has now offciially stopped using PRECICE 2.2 in cosmetic patients and exclusively uses STRYDE. The only exception is in patients whose bone canal is too small for the 10mm version of STRYDE. This is a rare occurance and usually only applies to small girls/women.

For more extensive information about STRYDE from Dr. Paley click here:  http://www.limblengtheningforum.com/index.php?topic=5507.msg93315#msg93315

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Posted on Oct 22, 2018, 8:59 pm
#137

Quote from: doomsday on August 09, 2018, 03:28:56 PMSTOP advertising that doctor from a war torn Ukraine and his obsolete nail....

Taller in Kiev, posted X rays, Posted pictures (including ones with scars), and videos( several of them). Do you all want to know why barely anyone does this? because when they do, fools like yourself come along and talk out of their @ss. He is not promoting his doctor, he is simply showing us how the people who have a financial disadvantage can go and get LL done in a less expensive country. Buddy, the Americans learned LL from the East and not vice versa. And then to make matters even more pathetic you start calling Ukraine a dump cause you have nothing else to say. Your ignorance and lack of argument is beyond amusing. And FYI only like 10-30% of LLers post on this forum, there are many more who lengthen and recover without even ever finding out about this forum. Taller in Kiev gave up his time to write on this forum and by far with the most evidence and you give him this Bollocks? Suck up your pathetic pride and leave the forum.

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Posted on Jan 23, 2019, 1:43 pm
#138

Dr Dror Paley (Florida, USA) Paley Advanced Limb Lengthening Institute

Dr Dror Paley (Florida, USA) Paley Advanced Limb Lengthening Institute

Dr Dror Paley (Florida, USA) Paley Advanced Limb Lengthening Institute

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Posted on Jan 30, 2019, 10:29 am
#139

What are the current prices of Doctor Paley. I think the thread is out of date.

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Posted on Mar 30, 2019, 2:54 pm
#140

Quote from: wannagrowtaller on January 30, 2019, 10:29:01 AMWhat are the current prices of Doctor Paley. I think the thread is out of date.
Its the same,I,checked out.

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