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Posted on Feb 28, 2017, 10:02 am
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Quote from: onemorefoot on February 28, 2017, 03:37:44 AM10 cm in one go??? Come on. Every surgeon I meet dont recommend going beyond 3 inches IN FEMURS: so if a guy offers you 10 cm........Hmmmmmm


That guy is lying if he didn't give us a proof from the email, am sure he misunderstood Dr Guichet, because Guichet told me when i asked him to do 10 cm, he said yes with repeated surgery only. That's mean i do 7 cm in my femur and after a year i will do the rest (3 cm) if i insist

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Posted on Feb 28, 2017, 10:44 am
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When I first began researching and lurking these forums, I had the same opinion. You see the same names mentioned again and again in posts mentioning the best surgeons to undergo this procedure with. Paley and Guichet were consistently mentioned and I began to ask why these 2 names appeared so often. From diaries, reading their methods, their studies, expertise and experience in the field it was clear why people would choose Paley, I couldn't find the same rationale for choosing Guichet to such a great degree besides experience.

Personally speaking and my greatest issue with Guichet is I believe he lengthens at a rate that, from the information I have gathered isn't beneficial for soft tissue recovery and adaptation nor consolidation. From the large distraction during surgery to the rapid lengthening throughout the lengthening phase. Coincidentally, the 'horror' stories have more issues with non-union rather than the much preferable pre-consolidation. I believe his 'success' stories appear to have recovered so well is because they were in excellent shape prior to the surgery as Guichet recommends meaning the hit they took was considerably less noticeable and appears better than someone who did no preparation but potentially have damaged their soft tissues much more than had they lengthened at a reasonable rate. Add the fact that his method appears to have become outdated and offers no tangible benefit over other, newer and in my opinion better methods and his cost which rivals the very best orthopedic surgeons - as of 2017, I would not go to him for this procedure as I believe there are better candidates for a similar if not better price. His bedside manner is a contentious issue but is completely irrelevant if the results are satisfactory.

Of course, this is just my personal conjecture and the method Guichet uses could be the most optimal for limb lengthening and he may have his own reasons which I am unaware of as to why he does the procedure in this manner - there just isn't the research out there to definitively say that one way is better or worse than another, just hypothesis, vastly varied anecdotes with no controls and semi-relevant research.


Quote from: The Kaiser on February 28, 2017, 10:02:34 AMThat guy is lying if he didn't give us a proof from the email, am sure he misunderstood Dr Guichet, because Guichet told me when i asked him to do 10 cm, he said yes with repeated surgery only. That's mean i do 7 cm in my femur and after a year i will do the rest (3 cm) if i insist


Further lengthening in the femur or 3CM of tibial lengthening? If 2 femoral lengthening procedures, resulting in a total gain of 10CM, waiting a year before further surgery will offer negligible benefits if the soft tissue is over lengthened and already damaged, which it likely will be at 7CM and will only result in further damage which it definitely will be at 10CM. Primarily, I would advise a more conservative and 'safe' amount to lengthen, if not, it would probably be more beneficial to lengthen 5CM and then the remaining 5CM a year later meaning the soft tissue has initially been 'less' damaged and more stretched meaning that year will allow your body to adapt to some degree. Good luck with whatever you do.

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Posted on Mar 4, 2017, 4:44 pm
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I don't think so. I never read any very negative long-term consequences of Guichet surgery. Slow recovery or complications are part of the game, they don't make Guichet a bad doctor. Guichet lengthening method is way safer an faster than the tibias one, and is very scrupolos in assuring you gain the best physical shape before doing any surgery. Plus, I don't know what's the problem with 10 cm lengthening. If you train to gain the right amount of physical mass and flexibility, you can reach that level. I know 6 cm would be safer, but if you're 150 cm like me, 10 cm is the minimum, and tibias are too risky and slow to recover; I think is better to do everything on femurs.

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Posted on Mar 4, 2017, 6:25 pm
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Quote from: Annalisa on March 04, 2017, 04:44:53 PM Plus, I don't know what's the problem with 10 cm lengthening. If you train to gain the right amount of physical mass and flexibility, you can reach that level.


This is completely false. 10CM on one segment at any height is completely excessive, filled with risk and complication and will almost certainly leave long term issues but even more so at 150CM. You can train to the level of an olympic athlete, it will barely make a difference to the huge damage that will occur on your soft tissues at 10CM of lengthening on one segment. I know this may not be what you wish to hear but it is the truth, lengthening to 10CM is risky, dangerous and damaging.

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Posted on Mar 4, 2017, 7:06 pm
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I might ask  what do you mean by segment? One bone or one lengthening session? I didn't deny the fact there are more complications, but permanent issue, if you're body is prepared and you do internal femurs, which are the safer option, are not too probable. And I have only heard  normal complications with Guichet, no unfixable damage. Anyhow, what would you advise for a short girl who want her 10 cm and do not want to touch the tibias? Two different lengthening periods, with one year of break? Is it worth to overcomplicating things this way?

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Posted on Mar 4, 2017, 7:36 pm
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Quote from: Annalisa on March 04, 2017, 07:06:18 PMI might ask  what do you mean by segment? One bone or one lengthening session? I didn't deny the fact there are more complications, but permanent issue, if you're body is prepared and you do internal femurs, which are the safer option, are not too probable. And I have only heard  normal complications with Guichet, no unfixable damage. Anyhow, what would you advise for a short girl who want her 10 cm and do not want to touch the tibias? Two different lengthening periods, with one year of break? Is it worth to overcomplicating things this way?

If you don't want to touch your tibias then you should forget a 10cm lengthening.

First you will be ridiculously disproportionate if you have a 10cm longer femur, especially if we consider that you are really short now.

But the most important is that only a few people could get away with a 10cm lengthening, even in femurs, and not be permanently damaged and maybe can't even walk relatively normal.
And for people at your initial height it is impossible and no respectable doctor will let you lengthen too much.

So, stick to about 6 cm at femurs which will put you in a good height for women or consider doing 2 LLs and gain about 10-11 cm.
There is no other option, especially for your height.

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Posted on Mar 4, 2017, 8:33 pm
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I do not get what it means that for people of my height is impossible to lengthen so much. It's just people of my  height that need huge lengthening, not someone who is 170cm and wants to gain few cms for vanity issue. Guichet is a respectable doctor, and he say you can lengthen 10 cm on the femurs. There is the proportion issue, but he will show me mock-up pictures for idea of what I'll look like. It's so difficult and confusing. I really feel the need to be at least 160 cm, but also think that including tibias would include more risks and slow things down a lot. Anyway, for internal femurs at least 8 cms isn't too risky.

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Posted on Mar 5, 2017, 12:33 am
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Quote from: Annalisa on March 04, 2017, 08:33:10 PMI do not get what it means that for people of my height is impossible to lengthen so much. It's just people of my  height that need huge lengthening, not someone who is 170cm and wants to gain few cms for vanity issue. Guichet is a respectable doctor, and he say you can lengthen 10 cm on the femurs. There is the proportion issue, but he will show me mock-up pictures for idea of what I'll look like. It's so difficult and confusing. I really feel the need to be at least 160 cm, but also think that including tibias would include more risks and slow things down a lot. Anyway, for internal femurs at least 8 cms isn't too risky.

With 1.50 initial height 10cm added is impossible. Unless you are one of the most flexible women in the world, none 1.50cm person's body can tolerate a 10cm lengthening in one segment.

8cm in femurs are risky for the majority of patients, moreover for a so short person like you.
10cm are insane for you (amd most of LL'ers too) so if you want to risk your abilities for becoming 1.60, even though you can become about 1.56 (an ok height for women and many men like me really like short girls) without much risks, then it is your choice.

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Posted on Mar 5, 2017, 12:41 am
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I can see why you'd want to be a few inches taller but that is a lot in one segment. Typically doctors only recommend lengthening a maximum of 20% of the bone. You could go for two surgeries though.

Try a couple of inches. Yes you'll still be pretty short but you'll have gone over 5'0". I'm not a short woman myself but I imagine that'll be enough to make life substantially easier.

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Posted on Mar 5, 2017, 12:42 am
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-- I mean, 20% of the initial length of the bone.

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