Quote from: Bruno Mars on December 06, 2013, 04:50:04 AMLol. I think you will be better of with Sringari since there are so many proofs showing how careless Dr Sarin is to his patients. But if you have a low and realistic goal like 4-5 cm per limb. I think you will do fine no matter which one you choose. Take a look at Crazy+6's video and you will know why most CLL surgeons recommend 5 cm per segment. It is the optimum number you could get from LL!!!!!
LL is not a Joke ... its not like if you lengthen 4-5cm you wont get complications. there are cases of nerve damage while installing the frame during the surgery. the angle of the pins should be correct. if the doctor is inexperience then how can you recommend him.
morover if there are any complication then how would you deal with it .
i already saw some posts that Dr Sringari dosn't know much about LL from is current patients but the posts were deleted,
maybe the patient don't want to piss Dr Sringari and his under the desk partners .
anyways dont trust old forum and do your own research from every angle.
ie, doctor's Bio Data, frame , nail , complications , flexiblity , back to normal etc
don't take it lightly...be smart and enjoy your life.
Dr T Sringari (Gurgaon, India) Paras Hospital
old forum is so full of fake diaries and BS. I'm starting to give up... I think Sarin is better but treatment is better in Sringari.
Quote from: Doflamingo on December 06, 2013, 03:45:04 PMold forum is so full of fake diaries and BS. I'm starting to give up... I think Sarin is better but treatment is better in Sringari.
they both are not qualified for LL ,ofcourse they have little knowledge cause they are orthopedic doctors but their speciality is not LL.
anything could happen for god's sake this is not a joke , its your life out there.
if these doctors can do LL i m sure you can ask any orthopedic doctor around the world to do LL.
Quote from: Doflamingo on December 04, 2013, 12:00:18 PMIs Dr Sringari better than Sarin? How is he compared to Sarin?
I have received new information on both Doctors , will post them next week if I get agreement from my source. It will be worth knowing for those considering surgery with either Doctors.
Thanks Daemon 
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This is the opinion/observation of a Patient who went to India for Limb Lengthening, so I am quoting the following message on the person's behalf.
" The thing that separates all the myriad of doctors I've visited in India, with Western doctors is their illusionary belief that they are "supermen" and that surgery and complicated procedures are all easy and can be rushed.
I remember Dr, Sarin, before, used to brag to people that he can perform LL in 1 hour or less in an assembly line fashion...the thing was that patients were left with huge scars, or the Ilizarov frame was not installed properly leading to complications later on - You Must Place The Wires, Pin and Screws in the Correct Anatomical position to ensure comfort, protection, and proper distraction in LL.
Dr. Sringari is basically A Carbon Copy Of the Old Dr. Sarin. The position he puts his wires are the Same as Sarin, which will lead to patients developing complications...I had to learn all this the hard way....
For example, the proximal fibula head must be fixated with a delicate surgical hand precisely...this is very important to ensure same distraction lengths of both the tibia bones and the fibula bones on both legs... Failure to do the correct fixation with a 3mm or 4 mm half pin; or a screw going in at the Proper angle, will lead to X-Legs / Valgus complications later on...
I see this complication happening already under LL4Life's legs on his X-Rays...X-Legs short term will lead to not being able to walk/balance properly, and long term lead to early arthritis and joint replacement. But the problem is....fixating the proximal lateral fibula head requires delicate and precise skill of a surgeon, and the appropriate Time for correct measurements given to patient's....
You know the carpenter's motto: "Measure twice, cut once"...well in India, most Doctors it's either "measure once (quickly) and do...or No Measurements At All, and just relying on their "instinctive powers to know where to place the pins/screws/or olive ball head wire (for stopping migration of bone...and not just a normal, cheap, "India" wire.)
Failure to do proper fixation of the proximal, lateral fibula head will lead to complications of X-legs, which in short term be inability to walk properly due to balance issues... and long term, lead to Misalignment and its resulting early onset of arthritis and and potential joint replacement. Or, worst, you can experience Fibula migration (basically, your fibula bone dislocates out of it's original joint socket and migrates down into the interreous membrane...
The knee is a very complicated joint...it is kept in balance by 5 ligaments (yes, a new 5th ligament was recently discovered,) but the other 4 ligaments are the A.C.L., P.C.L., M.C.L., and the Lateral Collateral Ligament, which is attached to the fibula head...they are work in sync, sort of like a table balancing on 4 (or 5 legs). If one of the legs were stretched out and longer then the other legs, it would create balancing issues...
So see, just 2 ways complications could occur without proper fixation...either with fibula migration and decreased/little to no X-Legs...or more X-legs and less fibula migration... In all, if you originally had pristine, perfect, Straight Legs beforehand, they will Not Be Perfectly in sync with the old techniques of Ilizarov employed by these India doctors..
Worst, is that sometimes the India doctors try to do this, and the miss their small target of locking the fibula head, then they can either rupture the Peroneal Nerve, or cause a palsy, or entrapment from improperly placed wires which will lead to Paralysis of the lower leg.
So, these unskilled doctors don't tell you this, but these are the risks involved. But, other Western trained doctors are skilled in this matter,moment examples are Dr. Paley and Dr. lee... Walk6, one of Doctor Donghoon's patients, who was trained under Dr. Paley, makes mention of this briefly in his diary about proper surgical techniques.
I sincerely hope SysOp/Apotheosis/Christian from New York did not get his hands over Dr. Donghoon's and try to make some under the table deal with the doctor for advertising privileges. A month or so ago, he mentioned something about added Donghoon's to the recommended Doctors list, and that he would also help "Invest his own money in opening a Guesthouse" for Dr. Donghoon....no one "invests" in something without expecting some return later on...
It looks like the deal may not have gone through because it looks like Dr. Donghoon was not yet added to the recommended list, or list the opening of a guesthouse...probably because he was smart enough and not greedy enough and Cared About His Patients Well Being to keep the patients at the hospital, like it's suppose to be, to treat complications and give proper Medical care....rather then stick them in some run down flat/apartment where the patients will, for the most part, be under the treatment or influence of other unqualified quakes."
Quote from: Dameon on December 08, 2013, 07:23:39 PMThis is the opinion/observation of a Patient who went to India for Limb Lengthening, so I am quoting the following message on the person's behalf.
" The thing that separates all the myriad of doctors I've visited in India, with Western doctors is their illusionary belief that they are "supermen" and that surgery and complicated procedures are all easy and can be rushed.
I remember Dr, Sarin, before, used to brag to people that he can perform LL in 1 hour or less in an assembly line fashion...the thing was that patients were left with huge scars, or the Ilizarov frame was not installed properly leading to complications later on - You Must Place The Wires, Pin and Screws in the Correct Anatomical position to ensure comfort, protection, and proper distraction in LL.
Dr. Sringari is basically A Carbon Copy Of the Old Dr. Sarin. The position he puts his wires are the Same as Sarin, which will lead to patients developing complications...I had to learn all this the hard way....
For example, the proximal fibula head must be fixated with a delicate surgical hand precisely...this is very important to ensure same distraction lengths of both the tibia bones and the fibula bones on both legs... Failure to do the correct fixation with a 3mm or 4 mm half pin; or a screw going in at the Proper angle, will lead to X-Legs / Valgus complications later on...
I see this complication happening already under LL4Life's legs on his X-Rays...X-Legs short term will lead to not being able to walk/balance properly, and long term lead to early arthritis and joint replacement. But the problem is....fixating the proximal lateral fibula head requires delicate and precise skill of a surgeon, and the appropriate Time for correct measurements given to patient's....
You know the carpenter's motto: "Measure twice, cut once"...well in India, most Doctors it's either "measure once (quickly) and do...or No Measurements At All, and just relying on their "instinctive powers to know where to place the pins/screws/or olive ball head wire (for stopping migration of bone...and not just a normal, cheap, "India" wire.)
Failure to do proper fixation of the proximal, lateral fibula head will lead to complications of X-legs, which in short term be inability to walk properly due to balance issues... and long term, lead to Misalignment and its resulting early onset of arthritis and and potential joint replacement. Or, worst, you can experience Fibula migration (basically, your fibula bone dislocates out of it's original joint socket and migrates down into the interreous membrane...
The knee is a very complicated joint...it is kept in balance by 5 ligaments (yes, a new 5th ligament was recently discovered,) but the other 4 ligaments are the A.C.L., P.C.L., M.C.L., and the Lateral Collateral Ligament, which is attached to the fibula head...they are work in sync, sort of like a table balancing on 4 (or 5 legs). If one of the legs were stretched out and longer then the other legs, it would create balancing issues...
So see, just 2 ways complications could occur without proper fixation...either with fibula migration and decreased/little to no X-Legs...or more X-legs and less fibula migration... In all, if you originally had pristine, perfect, Straight Legs beforehand, they will Not Be Perfectly in sync with the old techniques of Ilizarov employed by these India doctors..
Worst, is that sometimes the India doctors try to do this, and the miss their small target of locking the fibula head, then they can either rupture the Peroneal Nerve, or cause a palsy, or entrapment from improperly placed wires which will lead to Paralysis of the lower leg.
So, these unskilled doctors don't tell you this, but these are the risks involved. But, other Western trained doctors are skilled in this matter,moment examples are Dr. Paley and Dr. lee... Walk6, one of Doctor Donghoon's patients, who was trained under Dr. Paley, makes mention of this briefly in his diary about proper surgical techniques. "
very useful info , i Appreciate and thank you for this info . i wish i knew about this before i did my LL .
Damn... Is there fcking anyone who can do ll properly for a decent price!?
Nothing here scares me, I'm still going through with LL in India, life as a short (165cm) man is not a life worth living.
Quote from: GetTallOrGoGay on December 23, 2013, 12:57:58 PMNothing here scares me, I'm still going through with LL in India, life as a short (165cm) man is not a life worth living.
this helpless motivation to do LL is the reason they are taking advantage of everything ... !!
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