Europe is a big LL show right now

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Quote from: MirinHeight on November 25, 2017, 04:29:37 AMyou cant post something without proof.
Name the doctors if you are actually serious.

If so, why are there no diaries of these life long complications and physical damage from these "famous European surgeons"

Oh the irony. The idiot that made an ass out of himself accusing another member is saying this. All because he is in denial that everyone thinks he is mentally unstable to want to do 3 cm lengthening.

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I think Catagni only treats patients with "constitutional short stature", meaning a naturally short height (think it's anything <165cm). I don't think he takes patients above that.

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backrandom is a Monegal troll. everything that he says is slander and have lacking of evidence/proofs

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Quote from: Sarcastic.jr on November 26, 2017, 08:28:01 AMOh the irony. The idiot that made an ass out of himself accusing another member is saying this. All because he is in denial that everyone thinks he is mentally unstable to want to do 3 cm lengthening.

I have to agree that to undergo to LL to gain only 3 cm is madness because 3 cm you can gain with correct posture and 2 cm lifts,no one will perceive it. If you go to the risk and spend a lot of money ,go for enough reason .

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The doctors I'm talking about are Betz and Guichet. They have been really mean to patients. Monegal has also bad cases but he hasn't been taken to court Yet. I'm in touch with many patients here and the only information about Monegal being sued comes from a Lluser troll. In the cases of Betz and Guichet I know this from expatients.

This bander72 should be banned because he is a clone account of deniscef to impersonate a genuine user of this forum: bander72. He also impersonated me in the past and created an account called backrandon. He is wrong because I'm not attacking Monegal. I am attacking  fake users here and lunatic people like deniscef himself.

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Quote from: backrandom on November 26, 2017, 04:59:25 PMThe doctors I'm talking about are Betz and Guichet.

Then I think that the thread title should be more specific, because there are many other doctors in Europe.

Also, considering that Paley has also been sued, I guess we should start a thread titled "USA is a big LL crapshow right now". Take the problems some patients had in India and Armenia and start a similar thread for Asia... and we would ended up thinking that the whole world is a "LL crapshow" right now.

Finally, I think that we should be very cautious about labeling a doctor as "bad" just because a patient complains about him. Some days ago someone said that this forum is much less deluded than the old forum because we are more aware of bad outcomes. IMO that is partially false, because it seems to me that we are always willing to believe the patient's version of his/her LL outcome without knowing the doctor's version. And it's more than probable that some "bad outcomes" are actually the patient's fault (for example, early weight-bearing without the doctor's approval, or smoking during the lengthening phase).

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Quote from: Ozymandias on November 26, 2017, 08:49:03 PMThen I think that the thread title should be more specific, because there are many other doctors in Europe.

Also, considering that Paley has also been sued, I guess we should start a thread titled "USA is a big LL crapshow right now". Take the problems some patients had in India and Armenia and start a similar thread for Asia... and we would ended up thinking that the whole world is a "LL crapshow" right now.

Finally, I think that we should be very cautious about labeling a doctor as "bad" just because a patient complains about him. Some days ago someone said that this forum is much less deluded than the old forum because we are more aware of bad outcomes. IMO that is partially false, because it seems to me that we are always willing to believe the patient's version of his/her LL outcome without knowing the doctor's version. And it's more than probable that some "bad outcomes" are actually the patient's fault (for example, early weight-bearing without the doctor's approval, or smoking during the lengthening phase).

That's a terrible attitude to have, some people like me listened to his doctor and gave him multiple chances with surgeries and still had a bad result. That's the reason a lot of people don't write reviews and just move on with their lives

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Quote from: ub40 on November 26, 2017, 10:57:49 PMThat's a terrible attitude to have, some people like me listened to his doctor and gave him multiple chances with surgeries and still had a bad result. That's the reason a lot of people don't write reviews and just move on with their lives

What happened to you?

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Quote from: ub40 on November 26, 2017, 10:57:49 PMThat's a terrible attitude to have, some people like me listened to his doctor and gave him multiple chances with surgeries and still had a bad result. That's the reason a lot of people don't write reviews and just move on with their lives

So listening to both sides in a discussion/argument/story is a terrible attitude?

Of course there are many bad outcomes caused by doctors (I never said otherwise, check my post). And I'm not talking about your case, which I don't know (or don't remember). What I say is that "bad outcomes" stories should be taken with the same caution than those with good outcomes. Do you remember that "girl" who posted a "horror story" about Dr. Monegal late this summer (including accusations of molestation and physical abuse)? Some members here believed her (and called her "brave" lol) even though it was more than evident that "her" story was ludicrously false.

The examples I gave (weight-bearing without the doctor's approval, or smoking during LL process) have happened before (witnessed by other patients) and could easily cause a bad outcome. If that was the case, would the patient be honest enough to admit his fault? Maybe, or maybe not.

Good luck with your recovery (if it is still ongoing)

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Quote from: backrandom on November 25, 2017, 01:07:15 AMEurope is a big LL crapshow right now. Most famous European doctors are having legal issues with former patients they neglected and got life-long complications and physical and emotional damage as a result. LL victims should create a platform to denounce and become stronger as a group. I'm talking to some of these patients in private and their stories are terrifying. In this forum you can see just the tip of the iceberg. Europe is definitely a big LL crapshow. Wait and see.

Absolutely correct. Most European countries have very bad patient protection in case of malpractice. Doctors in those countries can get away with almost anything.