Hi LittleWhiteMan, I'm one of those 'lucky guys' at 5'7"(actually more 5'6.5"). However, that's where my 'luck' ends ;-) I may have 5.5" (14 cm) more bodyheight, but have only 7 cm more sitting height. So my leg length (floor inseam) is about 33" (84 cm), wich is just under 50%. I too have the torso of a 12 - 13 year old child with narrow shoulders and I'm skinny/lanky built. At your age (16) I was about your height (don't know exactly anymore) but I do know, I grew until my early twenties, gaining leg length only. Buying clothes today always ends in the junior department, including the preprogrammed disappointment of short arms and not to speak far too short legs ;-( Ok, at least the T-shirts fits ;-)
Living in 'tall country' the Netherlands, my dream height is still around 6' or 6'1". This even after reading in recent official statistics that the height increase of the past decade has ended and the youngest generation is even decreasing a little in average bodyheight - yes, ethnic corrected!
Will LL to do for me? Many aspects to consider! Desired body height is simple. 6' may be 6'1". Would require 5" to 6" height increase. An amount of LL that make sense to me. Wich would bring me however to a floor inseam of 38"or even 39". Such leg lenghts are not only disproportional at 6'/6'1" (53%) but where to buy any trousers in that inseam at a waist of 26? (Yeah, I wouldn't mind becoming average at 6'2" or 6'3" but would make me a total freak.)
So, doing less LL? Going from 5'6.5" to let's say 5'9" or 5'10" (below Dutch average, but both nice heights) means doing 2.5" or 3.5". LL of 3.5" in one segment could however japardize my femur-tibia ratio. Doing 3.5" in two segments is, from a view point of costs and efforts, out of the question. Doing only 2.5" in one segment, would bring me at 5'9".
Arm lenght is another story. I don't see it as a problem that my arms stay relatively short (compared to body height) after LL (even doing 3.5"). In my view it's more important to have an arm length that fits with my torso than with my body height. Some (professionally Photoshoppped) mock ups of guys with long legs, but arms in harmony with their torsos, underlined my view. But feel free to disagree!
So - that's where we share the same f**kted body proportions.
Everyone who is short seems to have longer sitting heights, except for me
Quote from: Rick52 on April 15, 2015, 11:44:56 PM (Yeah, I wouldn't mind becoming average at 6'2" or 6'3" but would make me a total freak.)
Are the dutch really that all? From what I gather the average is 182-184 for young men no?
I've actually spoken to some dutchmen and they mostly agree that 188CM is noticeably above average even there.
In Holland the average height is just under 184 cm.
Sorry guys - I didn't say anything about the actual average Dutch bodyheight here. Just that it has an little decreased! And that becoming 6'2 or 6'3"would be nice ;-))
It's correct, the average is about 184 cm.
It'll be good to note that the average of 184 cm in Netherlands is self-reported, while the measured average height there is 180.8 cm. Imagine what happens, say, to US average, when you allow people to report their height instead of measuring it, lol.
Quote from: exclide on April 16, 2015, 04:28:28 AMIt'll be good to note that the average of 184 cm in Netherlands is self-reported, while the measured average height there is 180.8 cm. Imagine what happens, say, to US average, when you allow people to report their height instead of measuring it, lol.
I noticed that as well. The numbers on the wiki page seemed to have changed, putting Dutch men somewhere between 181CM and 183CM.
Hey endomorphisme, looks like I was wrong, you won't be short in any country buddy. One less thing to worry about : )
For those who want the results of Dutch research: "The Dutch youth no longer increases in height, but get bigger (wider and heavier). This is the outcome of the Fifth National Growstudy (July 2014). After 160 years of becoming taller and taller, the average Dutch boy today is 183.8 cm tall; in 1997 it was 184.0 cm.
Turkish and Moroccan boys are smaller still, but are increasing in height.
Since 1850 Dutch men became 16 cm taller en women 14 cm. Before 1850 the average decreased.
As a possible course for the (small) height decrease the researchers see our modern food (more alcohol, more fat and too much of all)."
The Dutch Bureau for Statistics (CBS) has published simular data - wich I have to look up.
Quote from: LittleWhiteMan on April 07, 2015, 11:57:37 PMI feel like crap. All you guys have the same leg length as me (76 cm). However, all of you are like 5'6-5'7 with wingspans of up to 5'10. My sitting height is 78 cm, my shoulders are extremely narrow (15 inches wide), and my wingspan is of 5'3. I feel like crap I wish I was dead.
Would you be happier if you were the same height but with shorter legs and longer torso?
Dwarfs tend to have longer torsos and short legs… so you'd prefer to have the proportions of a dwarf?
Btw, if you're only 16 (in your profile) get growth hormone injections pronto… injections not pills... u still have a chance growing a few inches if you're plates haven't fused.
Eat healthy, Get a full 8 hours or more of sleep every night cuz you grow mostly in deep sleep and more growth hormones are released then.
Quote from: mini_me on April 25, 2015, 08:53:36 PMWould you be happier if you were the same height but with shorter legs and longer torso?
Dwarfs tend to have longer torsos and short legs… so you'd prefer to have the proportions of a dwarf?
Btw, if you're only 16 (in your profile) get growth hormone injections pronto… injections not pills... u still have a chance growing a few inches if you're plates haven't fused.
Eat healthy, Get a full 8 hours or more of sleep every night cuz you grow mostly in deep sleep and more growth hormones are released then.
I slept around 6 hrs a night throughout my teens, and also had a vitamin d deficiency. If I nipped those in the but back then, I would have been 6' like the good doctor said. Don't make the same mistake LWM. Your spinal growth plates might still be open. If they are, than get your blood work done to see if you have any vitamin deficiencies. Make sure you get 8 hrs sleep a night, drink 3 huge glasses of milk a day, and get on that HGH immediately.
Milk + sleep = max potential height. Wish I knew this as a kid.
Quote from: NewHeights on April 25, 2015, 10:49:26 PMI slept around 6 hrs a night throughout my teens, and also had a vitamin d deficiency. If I nipped those in the but back then, I would have been 6' like the good doctor said. Don't make the same mistake LWM. Your spinal growth plates might still be open. If they are, than get your blood work done to see if you have any vitamin deficiencies. Make sure you get 8 hrs sleep a night, drink 3 huge glasses of milk a day, and get on that HGH immediately.
Milk + sleep = max potential height. Wish I knew this as a kid.
Ugh, no. That's not how it works. You might have lost 1/10 of an inch through not "nipping those in the butt". Unless you are severely malnourished, that didn't have an effect.
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