Hi all,
Have been reading the forums for a while now but only just made an account as I'm loving the content especially the diaries people have devoted so much time to writing.
I have always been upset about my height as it makes me feel inferior and no matter how successful I become my height will always be the thing people remember about me, it's as if I need to be more handsome, more charming and more charismatic than someone taller than me just to be even and it drives me crazy!
It's made dating difficult because even if that person doesn't think of height as a meaningful attribute (which is rare) the thoughts in my head about being inferior are always there and how can I expect someone to love me if I don't love myself?
The solution to this problem is not therapy; therapy doesn't stop girls saying if you were just a bit taller you would be perfect or guys squaring up to you trying to intimidate you because they think short equates to weak.
The solution is most definitely leg lengthening however as I'm sure most of you are aware it is prohibitively expensive allowing only the most fortunate to undergo the surgery.
I have built up a stock portfolio currently valued at £25,000 and with an estimated gain of 20% per annum and investing £12,000 extra per annum I will be a millionaire on my 40th birthday....
my question is if you are constantly suffering mentally due to height neurosis at 25 would you spend all the money you saved (and take out £25,000 loan) to cure your mental illness at the cost of not becoming a millionaire?
I'm leaning towards spending everything and taking a loan out to cure myself of this illness so I can lead a normal, happy life.
I've already wasted two years of what should be the best years of my life being depressed. I honestly don't think I can take another year; I want to find someone to create memories with and love not sat in my room at the weekend crying because of how much this dictates my life and stops me from going out and meeting new people.
What are others thoughts? what would you do in my situation?
Quote from: ub40 on October 09, 2016, 01:24:30 PMHi there, I would take the million dollars of course. But the thing is you can't guarantee that you can make 20%. If you could then you could trade with borrowed money, and still do your surgery.
No I definitely can't guarantee a 20% return per annum otherwise I'd be in canary warf managing my own hedge fund! haha
I've just struck lucky this year capitalizing on oil tanking and the post brexit rally on banking stocks, after two more years of solid performance I'll start gearing my account; I just want to be sure I can consistently win before gambling someone else's money that will have to be paid back whether I win or lose.
Quote from: ub40 on October 09, 2016, 01:24:30 PMAlso as someone who trades, when you're trading 10k, you're going to act differently than when you're trading 100k, you will take your profits and losses much sooner, potentially ruining your system.
haha your right I can't even get my head round having holdings worth ~£200,000 each; technically the strategy shouldn't change but I can imagine if I lost 10% on a £200,000 holding I'd lose my s***t and panic sell whereas I can accept that loss on a small account.
I'm just going to have to forget about those extra zero's...easier said than done though!
Quote from: ub40 on October 09, 2016, 01:24:30 PMAnyways, feel free to pm. I love talking stocks and am interested in your method.
Will do cheers; I use technical analysis to swing trade (I'm a big Thomas Bulkowski fan if you've heard of him).
Quote from: Penguinn on October 09, 2016, 01:56:13 PM£25,000 is good enough to have externals in India or China and gain 6cms. You will also lose a lot of time though.
Hi Penguinn really enjoyed reading your diary!
I would feel much safer having the surgery carried out in my home country by Dr. Guichet also having my aunt who is a nurse funnily enough lives in London so I can stay with her whilst undergoing my post op physio and lengthening also having my father able to care for me in the lengthening stage is a huge benefit I want to use to my advantage.
My goal is 80mm (~3") and I want to be back at work in 8-10 weeks, if that entails using crutches at work so be it.
Quote from: Alu on October 09, 2016, 03:53:44 PMHave you really actually tried to see a shrink? I'm asking because a lot of what you're saying seems to boil down to just basic narcissism. Sorry to say, but even if you get LL and get to 5'11 your mindset will still hold you back. There's always someone who's better than you: deal with it (the inverse can be said too..)
I've just hired one, only on my fourth session now but I have explained the procedure and my feelings to which she agreed that surgery could be a very real solution however when talking to a close friend about my shrink's acceptance of the idea he said she was irresponsible.
I admit have self image problems due to a previous relationship ending however I am not seeking gratification from others I'm looking for acceptance with myself.
I'm going to sound like a serial plastic surgery fiend now but I've already had a septoplasty/rhinoplasty and I can now look in the mirror and feel happy about my face when I previously could not look at myself...I imagine the same will be true about my height it's the only thing I'd change about myself.
I understand there is always a bigger fish but it's not about being the best, 5"11 would put me in the 75th percentile as opposed to my current height of 5"8 which is the 25th percentile which I see as a huge difference and I couldn't ask for anymore than that.
Quote from: Alu on October 09, 2016, 03:53:44 PMI feel like you're oversimplified a lot about life. Unless you might live in the Netherlands or a secret town in which everyone is 6+, the amount of crap you think you're getting from you height should all be in your head. I don't know your life story (and frankly don't care), so I'm not going to over speculate to much, but the comment "no matter how successful I become my height will always be the thing people remember about me"
screams disillusion.
No secret giant town haha I live in the UK; I'm not openly discriminated against but I will be overlooked for someone with similar looks etc who is taller; this surgery will statistically mean that this would only occur 25% of the time as opposed to 75% of the time going off the percentile's I mentioned earlier.
Quote from: Alu on October 09, 2016, 03:53:44 PMFor your last paragraph: go out there already. Don't waste away your time hold up in some hole thinking you'll never find love or compassion because of height. Try that before you go for the last resort of LL.
I'm trying; I know I'll get there eventually and hopefully my shrink can help speed up the process a little 
Means a lot that you would take your time to express your opinion and give your advise to a complete stranger so thank you!
Quote from: YourSpaceBoyfriend on October 09, 2016, 09:25:16 PMFor this you should be already disqualified from any LL related surgery.
haha that's quite an assumption to jump to why would you think it disqualifies me from lengthening surgery?
My nose was damaged in a sparring match offsetting it to the right and deviating my septum to the point where I was unable to breathe so I thought why not get a rhinoplasty at the same time as it's not anymore inconvenient.
Quote from: YourSpaceBoyfriend on October 09, 2016, 09:25:16 PMDid you explained to her eventual complications? Risks of never walking again?
Shrink isn't supposed to give you "acceptance", she is supposed to give you some kind of perspective.
LL always is the last resort, don't forget that.
She previously worked as a surgeon's first assistant and has come across the surgery for non cosmetic purposes.
I have found no cases of paralysis as a result of leg lengthening and the following is an extract from Dr. Guichet's website:
"While it is important to be aware of what could go wrong. It is important to note that no instances of deep infection (osteitis, osteomyelitis), paralysis or lasting stiffness have occurred as a result of Dr. Guichet’s femoral lengthening practice to date."
Quote from: TIBIKE200 on October 09, 2016, 10:31:29 PMYou said everything started after the end of a relationship.
I can relate to the feeling of unworthingness or whatever since I like every other single man or women had a rough breakup at some point in our past... A harsh breakup can really mess up your self worth and self image.... Be sure that you are not projecting your sorrow for the lost relationship into invented insecurities... One thing is to want to become taller... Another is to suffer because you arent already tall
I knew I was short since I was 18 but I wasn't really fussed since I wasn't mocked for it and had a great partner but as more and more people started to comment and so did my partner and her parents that's when it started and when we broke up and I entered the dating world and got the shock of my life when I experienced women's obsession over height and thing's haven't got better since so now it's time to do something drastic about it to solve the issue once and for all and I can put all this behind me.
I'm definitely suffering :/
Quote from: Bigpoppapump on October 09, 2016, 04:20:54 PMIts a tough question
Height neurosis or short stature is beyond horrible it truly is and i sympathise i can relate to your story and have a lot of sympathy. I suffered the exact same things, women would say 'yeah your handsome, good looking etc but youre too short' etc etc etc. its as frustrating as hell! You feel bitter and angry and it eventually consumes your life.
Even just reading this my jaw clenches and my muscles tense with anger and frustration; you've obviously experienced the same prejudice as I have.
Do I want to be bitter about it all my life? absolutely not if their is a 'cure'...even if it is ~£55,000! haha
Quote from: Bigpoppapump on October 09, 2016, 04:20:54 PMIf you want the surgery done id either do it now or not at all. You must realise though that this surgery comes at costs not just money wise it would be great if that was all it was but it isnt. At 5-8 id advise you to do 5cms on tibias or something similar on femurs, there are pros and cons to both that you must be aware of. Doing tibias you will eventually lose dorsiflexion at a certain point, you may very well be able to regain some but not much or anynat all if you overlengthen. Dorsiflexion is critical for a number of movements for the body and without it walking will become very awkward. Running properly will be a thing of the past. A number of gym movements will become very difficult if not impossible to do safely. If you are into athletic things think very hard about this surgery. If you are an individual who is like the rest of the population who gets up works, goes hime watches soaps, then goes to bed and does this year after year then fine go get it as the difference to your life is minimal.
I'm defiantly doing femur as that is what Dr. Guichet performs; going to research 'Dorsiflexion' non the less as it's a term I havn't come across yet.
I used to row but a rowing club wasn't the wisest thing to join with height neurosis for obvious reasons so I just weight train at the gym four days a week now...just another example how it affects my daily life 
Quote from: Bigpoppapump on October 09, 2016, 04:20:54 PMThe problem with these boards is any questions regardingthe issues caused by this surgery are generally not answered or ignored. There are too many folk on here that obsess over nonsense like proportions when there is far bigger things to worry about, like making sure you dont overlengthen and screw yourself up. You wont guve a fk about your arms being 1" too short for your body if you cant walk properly again.
I agree that the forum is bias towards the surgery but that is to be expected as very few people will expose themselves if they have failed at something (in this case suffered complications) even under an alias on a forum however there are rare exceptions like Unicorn who have gone into great detail about what appears to be a very arduous experience...it does make me wonder how many people have experienced the same issues faced by Unicorn though.
Quote from: Bigpoppapump on October 09, 2016, 04:20:54 PMIf you had cash like a million there would be plenty of women who would be keen on you, theres little difference between a woman who goes for a guy whos rich or one who goes for one who is tall simply because they are either rich or tall. Both will fail as money can only buy so much happiness but someone who is tall will eventually be surplus to requirements as well as the height thing will grow old similar to the material posessions they bought with your money either way both types of women are not the types you want.
I dont get women whongo for for guys simply because they are tall, its the equivalent of guys going with women because they have big tits but literally nothing else going for them
Hope to god I don't fall for one of these women! haha I sort of get that women directly relate height with strength and want to feel protected it's just a natural instinct so I don't necessarily blame them for it...it's just sh*t for guys below average height!
Quote from: The Kaiser on October 09, 2016, 08:20:32 PM80 mm is 3.25" inches. you need more time then. 7 cm you can gain it in two months with Guichet, then you can go back immediately but its preferable to stay an extra week there so lets say 65 days for 7 cm. good luck
80mm/25.4mm=3.15" trust me I'm an engineer 
Didn't think to bother mentioning the additional 0.15" but it appears people on here are budding metrologist's and like to be exact haha 
65 days will do me perfectly! 
and ty!
Quote from: TIBIKE200 on October 10, 2016, 08:56:42 PMI meant when you hit on a women... Usually they will not say what is wrong with you but invent something... Just like when they say "I have a boyfriend"... Most people are not dckheads
Have you ever seen dating profiles on plenty of fish? haha one I distinctly remember was '5"10 or below? friend zoned' I admit it did make me burst out laughing oh and she was 5"5 or something couldn't believe it! Safe to say I would never say a word to someone that shallow but they do appear to exist and have no shame in openly discriminating against people.
The sole purpose of the surgery is not to pull more women it's to cure me of an illness that has persisted for 7 years and I see little hope of it fading away with therapy.
I also hate the idea of shorter men being mocked when they have great slabs of muscle covering their bodies and are deemed to be making up for height (potentially true in some cases admittedly) and being labelled as having a Napoleon complex but if a tall / average height guy has a similar physique they are sexy as hell makes no sense 
Quote from: DoingItForMe on October 11, 2016, 01:18:38 AMI'd choose wealth - but not only because of wealth loss to LL, but because you'll sacrifice more than just wealth when you do LL.
I'm 5'8" - 5'9", and have to opportunity to go to 5'11" by doing tibs. Even though my pockets are deep enough that a $100k surgery is pocket change, I wouldn't go through with it all again. There's no price tag on time lost. Once you lose time, you lose it forever. Time and health should not be taken for granted.
If you want to know why doing LL for the dating world is a bad idea at 5'8", then go read the last few posts in my diary. It might change your mindset about this surgery afterwards or realign your expectations.
I really enjoyed reading your extremely detailed diary; one sentence stuck in my mind 'it does remove the feelings of sadness' that's all I want and if you've achieved that feeling through leg lengthening that's exactly what I'm going to do too, being trapped in my own mind every day is very painful, allot more so than long term muscle damage.
I was surprised when you alluded to the possibility of a bone graft which I thought was very rare in regards to femur's though...was this actually required in the end? and wtf do they do to charge $77 for Vitamin D test? haha
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