Hello, please help me.

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Quote from: Sanity on September 24, 2018, 05:31:14 AMwat we have in common is the tradeof pov which is " if we do this better be full or nothing, fk pain and complications". but its not surprising that alot of people go for the balanced tradeoff which is "il take some cm, settle in for average and suffer minor problems". Its all subjective in the end.

To me height is very important in todays  ty world, far outweighs all the problems and damages caused to the human body. Only permanent disability can outweigh that cause every1 knows ur not so tall in a fking wheelchair. 

Being permanently disabled is not really among my concerns tbh. If you go to a reputable doctor I highly doubt he will mishandle your case to the extent you'll be in a wheelchair for the rest of your life..
My main concerns are that I won't be able to sprint ever again, swim, play a bit of sports or even have hardcore sxx with my gf because of unbearable pain..

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Quote from: TallerDream on September 24, 2018, 05:40:22 AMBeing permanently disabled is not really among my concerns tbh. If you go to a reputable doctor I highly doubt he will mishandle your case to the extent you'll be in a wheelchair for the rest of your life..
My main concerns are that I won't be able to sprint ever again, swim, play a bit of sports or even have hardcore sxx with my gf because of unbearable pain..

That's my fear as well, I'd hate to get this surgery and then be completely incapable of lifting without unbearable pain.

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Quote from: ThatGuy on September 24, 2018, 06:18:20 AMThat's my fear as well, I'd hate to get this surgery and then be completely incapable of lifting without unbearable pain.

well u can do some exercises like benchpress, hammer curls, work ur abs and arms. but deadlifts and weighted sqauts. u wont be able to do ever.

ur muscles would be artifically stretched and will hurt if u force them to work hard. permanent pain and discomfort forever 24/7 and definitely not being able to sprint ever in ur life. jog maybe. worthy trade off for some inches? i think yes.

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Quote from: Sanity on September 24, 2018, 06:27:28 AMwell u can do some exercises like benchpress, hammer curls, work ur abs and arms. but deadlifts and weighted sqauts. u wont be able to do ever.

ur muscles would be artifically stretched and will hurt if u force them to work hard. permanent pain and discomfort forever 24/7 and definitely not being able to sprint ever in ur life. jog maybe. worthy trade off for some inches? i think yes.

Aren't your muscles stretching when you naturally grow up?  The only difference is that we stretch our muscles quickly compared to the natural slow growth. Please correct me if I am wrong
İ do think you can do deadlifts after 1,5-2 year if your surgery and recovery are successful. Surely , it will be weaker than your pre-LL ability to do squads and deadlifts. But it isn't logical to say you will never do

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Quote from: Tiger9898 on September 24, 2018, 08:19:37 AMAren't your muscles stretching when you naturally grow up?  The only difference is that we stretch our muscles quickly compared to the natural slow growth. Please correct me if I am wrong
İ do think you can do deadlifts after 1,5-2 year if your surgery and recovery are successful. Surely , it will be weaker than your pre-LL ability to do squads and deadlifts. But it isn't logical to say you will never do

No. The muscles arent stretching when ur growing up. They are growing with u. just like ur heart, pancrease hands feet bones head skull lungs blood vessels nerves nails. the size is increasing its not stretching. completely different things.

stretched muscles and tight muscle is something else. when u open ur arm and extend it u are stretching the bicep muscle and tightening the tricep muscle. now the muscle is being stretched by ur nerves connected to ur spine/brain and its natural.

imagine something always keeping ur bicep/nerves stretched artificially and then u try to do normal movements of arm like extending and contracting to lift something or do other normal functions. now multiply that to thousands of days. arthritis, joint replacement, compartment syndrome, muscles fatiging, u not being able to use ur arms to lift basic loads etc etc etc... ur talking   loads of problems.

now if the recovery after surgery is full, the level of problems u will face later on will depend on the lengthening amount in other words the amount u have artificially stretched the muscle/nerves in trade off for aesthetics. simple

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Quote from: Sanity on September 24, 2018, 08:32:26 AMNo. The muscles arent stretching when ur growing up. They are growing with u. just like ur heart, pancrease hands feet bones head skull lungs blood vessels nerves nails. the size is increasing its not stretching. completely different things.

stretched muscles and tight muscle is something else. when u open ur arm and extend it u are stretching the bicep muscle and tightening the tricep muscle. now the muscle is being stretched by ur nerves connected to ur spine/brain and its natural.

imagine something always keeping ur bicep/nerves stretched artificially and then u try to do normal movements of arm like extending and contracting to lift something or do other normal functions. now multiply that to thousands of days. arthritis, joint replacement, compartment syndrome, muscles fatiging, u not being able to use ur arms to lift basic loads etc etc etc... ur talking   loads of problems.

now if the recovery after surgery is full, the level of problems u will face later on will depend on the lengthening amount in other words the amount u have artificially stretched the muscle/nerves in trade off for aesthetics. simple

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Thanks for the detailed explanation
I agree, If the lengthening amout is in normal range( around 5-6 cm) , i believe 85-90% recovery is smth possible within 2_3 years depending on patient's body reaction

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Quote from: Tiger9898 on September 24, 2018, 08:56:16 AM.
Thanks for the detailed explanation
I agree, If the lengthening amout is in normal range( around 5-6 cm) , i believe 85-90% recovery is smth possible within 2_3 years depending on patient's body reaction

well muscles are still tough sons of bitches, they adapt in time to some degree. wat is worrying is joints. those poor puppies will be suffering and take on the hammering for all its worth.

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Quote from: Sanity on September 24, 2018, 09:13:38 AMwell muscles are still tough sons of bitches, they adapt in time to some degree. wat is worrying is joints. those poor puppies will be suffering and take on the hammering for all its worth.

So far İ haven't heard any permanent problem of ll if it is a success. At least, if joints would cause any further problems, dr paley or other experienced doctors warned about this before surgery

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Quote from: Tiger9898 on September 24, 2018, 11:12:50 AMSo far İ haven't heard any permanent problem of ll if it is a success. At least, if joints would cause any further problems, dr paley or other experienced doctors warned about this before surgery

how many ppl u know in real life anyways who did ll. p.s why would the doctors want to harm their own business. they do warn not to go above 6-7 but thats as far as theyd go.

i know a guy in real life who did 9 cm and he cant walk now. he had joint replacement surgery too, still cant walk years after surgery. Another girl who did 7-8 aswell and she is surrounded by all these leg issues. alot of people/doctors here have agendas. even people who had the best recovery stil suffered from minor but permanent problems for life. weighed em too thin to mention vs actually achieving the aesthetic outcome they dreamt all their life. no doctor in the world will want u to not get sick, unless they r not true to their profession.

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Quote from: Sanity on September 24, 2018, 02:16:12 PMhow many ppl u know in real life anyways who did ll. p.s why would the doctors want to harm their own business. they do warn not to go above 6-7 but thats as far as theyd go.

i know a guy in real life who did 9 cm and he cant walk now. he had joint replacement surgery too, still cant walk years after surgery. Another girl who did 7-8 aswell and she is surrounded by all these leg issues. alot of people/doctors here have agendas. even people who had the best recovery stil suffered from minor but permanent problems for life. weighed em too thin to mention vs actually achieving the aesthetic outcome they dreamt all their life. no doctor in the world will want u to not get sick, unless they r not true to their profession.

If that is how you feel, then I highly highly recommend you to not use this site. How would you be able to lie down on the surgery table if you think of your surgeon behind his mask a member of "no doctor in the world will want u to not get sick, unless they r not true to their profession". You might end up cancelling the surgery last minute and then again thinking about it for years.

If you stay on this site, you will neither get to courage to do LL nor have the courage to live life without LL. You will be stuck in a state of limbo. LL is for optimistic people. Try this exercise of never opening this website for a month. You might slow let go of the idea of LL.