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Posted on Apr 20, 2015, 10:44 pm
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QuoteYes, LL patients die in all countries, even if you don't want to believe it. LL is a dangerous surgery. However, no patient of Dr. Monegal has died in february. You're referring to a patient of another doctor, and that's unfair.


So apparently this surgery can be fatal, obviously this is very worrying and yet something that we rarely speak of. So I'd like to make this thread the forum for our death discussions

-How likely is it?

-Are you aware of a patient who has died?

-How can the risks be minimized?

-Is the surgery worth risking our lifes over?

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Posted on Apr 20, 2015, 10:49 pm
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I don't know of any stats, but I did come across a report where Dr Catagni reported a patient death during an Achilles tendon lengthening.

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Posted on Apr 20, 2015, 10:56 pm
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Quote from: KiloKAHN on April 20, 2015, 10:49:52 PMI don't know of any stats, but I did come across a report where Dr Catagni reported a patient death during an Achilles tendon lengthening.


why do you think this patient death? i readed the report, but cant remember

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Posted on Apr 20, 2015, 11:14 pm
#4

Quote from: KirP1 on April 20, 2015, 10:56:42 PMwhy do you think this patient death? i readed the report, but cant remember. it was fat embolism?


Yep.

[Strategy in the surgical treatment of achondroplasia: techniques applied in the Department of Orthopedics and Traumatology Hospital of Lecco]
M.A. Catagni, F. Guerreschi, L. Lovisetti

Between 1982 and 2007, 128 patients with achondroplasia were treated in the Lecco Hospital. 100 of these were treated with sequential bilateral limb lengthening and seven with crossed lengthening. The average tibial lengthening was 14.1 centimeters (range: 6 to 19 cm). The average femoral lengthening was 9.8 centimeters (range: 8 to 12 cm), and the average humeral lengthening 8.3 centimeters (range: 8 to 12 cm).

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The complications were classified as minor, moderate, and severe. Minor complications were those which required only modification of the apparatus during treatment. Twenty-three percent of the lengthenings required some modification of the device during treatment. Moderate complications were those which required additional procedures during lengthening. Forty-two percent of patients fell into this category. Finally, severe complications were those which required another surgery following treatment or had lasting sequelae of the treatment. Twenty-one percent of patients fell into this category. The most common complication was equinus contractures of the ankle which required treatment by tendoachilles lengthening. Two pulmonary emboli were sustained following percutaneous tendo-achilles lengthening. One patient died as a result of this complication.

http://link.springer.com/article/10.1007%2Fs10261-009-0032-9

[Fat embolism during limb lengthening with a centromedullary nail: three cases].
Blondel B1, Violas P, Launay F, Sales de Gauzy J, Kohler R, Jouve JL, Bollini G.

Several methods are available for progressive limb lengthening, including centromedullary nailing, external fixation, or a combination. Each technique has its own advantages and drawbacks. In trauma victims, use of centromedullary nailing is associated with potentially fatal fat embolism. This fatal outcome might also occur during limb lengthening, particularly in bilateral procedures. To our knowledge, fat embolism has not been reported with the use of centromedullary nail for limb lengthening. This was a multicentric study of three cases of fat embolism, including one fatal outcome. In all, 36 centromedullary lengthening nails were inserted in the three centers before these acute episodes. The first two cases occurred during single-phase bilateral procedures, the third during unilateral lengthening.

Fat embolism could result from several factors, as reported in the literature. While the bilateral nature of the procedure has been incriminated, the observation of an embolism during a unilateral procedure suggests other factors may be involved. Considerable increase in endomedullary pressure during reaming and insertion of the nail has been demonstrated. At the same time, there is the question as to whether the reduction of the diminution of medullary pressure by corticotomy would be an efficient way of reducing the risk of fat embolism. Based on the analysis of our three cases, we suggest that the best way to avoid fat embolism might be to drill several holes within the area of the osteotomy before reaming, in order to reduce endomedullary pressure. This can be achieved via a short skin incision, sparing the periosteum before low energy osteotomy. Since applying this protocol, the three centers have implanted 17 lengthening nails, without a single case of fat embolism.

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/18774027

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Posted on Apr 20, 2015, 11:21 pm
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Quote from: musicmaker on April 20, 2015, 10:58:21 PMYes, of course. This surgery can be fatal, but it's very rare.
Here you've my answers:
1) very, very rare (sorry, but I don't know the exact percentage)
2) yes, I'm aware of some people who have died
3) choose a good surgeon who operates in a good clinic and follows careful protocols
4) it depends on your personal case


Could you tell us a bit more about the deaths, was there anything foreboding it or did it come out of the blue?

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Posted on Apr 20, 2015, 11:39 pm
#6

Thanks guys for starting That thread as this is a very important Point,

I have warned patients about life risk condition due to fat embolism syndrome when performing bilaterals. Some users Just replied and misscredited my arguments.
I have never had such a terrible experience myself, But this can happen to The most experienced, respected and skiLL Forumull doctors in LL.

In some cases like in Achondroplasya there migth be other health issues but short stature such as heart malformation that can end up in heart failure during anaesthetic induction.

You can probably find in the literature some statistics of such unlikely complications.
We always discuss at meetings that we must stay safe But There are some factors we cannot control. So It is better to prevent this as much as we can.

To prevent FES i normally perform drilling of the osteotomy line prior to the canal reaming to reduce intramedullary preasure and to create some escape of the fat drops out of the canal. I Also Try to ream as smoothly as I can.
One of the points that created more controversy in my thread..most of US do not  recommend bilateral Femur as reaming of both bones at the same time may be risky. So I do recommend 2-stage and patients normally can deal with it quite easily.

I hope that infO is helpfull to you guys

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Posted on Apr 21, 2015, 12:17 am
#7

Quote from: Dr Monegal on April 20, 2015, 11:39:04 PMThanks guys for starting That thread as this is a very important Point,

I have warned patients about life risk condition due to fat embolism syndrome when performing bilaterals. Some users Just replied and misscredited my arguments.
I have never had such a terrible experience myself, But this can happen to The most experienced, respected and skiLL Forumull doctors in LL.

In some cases like in Achondroplasya there migth be other health issues but short stature such as heart malformation that can end up in heart failure during anaesthetic induction.

You can probably find in the literature some statistics of such unlikely complications.
We always discuss at meetings that we must stay safe But There are some factors we cannot control. So It is better to prevent this as much as we can.

To prevent FES i normally perform drilling of the osteotomy line prior to the canal reaming to reduce intramedullary preasure and to create some escape of the fat drops out of the canal. I Also Try to ream as smoothly as I can.
One of the points that created more controversy in my thread..most of US do not  recommend bilateral Femur as reaming of both bones at the same time may be risky. So I do recommend 2-stage and patients normally can deal with it quite easily.

I hope that infO is helpfull to you guys


Yes, it is thank you and, I must say, it's always good to have a professional on the forum.

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Posted on Apr 21, 2015, 12:32 am
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Big d did post about a near death encounter with a fat embolism.

Like anything in life there are risks, but it is quite low.

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Posted on Apr 21, 2015, 7:31 am
#9

what about other issues like paralysis? Is it possible?

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Posted on Apr 21, 2015, 10:05 am
#10

I shouldn't be too worried about death. There is a chance you could die just by walking to your local shops and back

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