Rather than 'equality', I prefer 'fairness', so I thnk LL must forbid patients above average height of their countriesfrom doing this surgery to guarantee 'taller men still can be taller men' will never happen.
What's your take on this?
Quote from: Masteryourlife on January 23, 2022, 07:23:19 PMMy thoughts are that u are crazy n that moderator should ban u and some other recent users !
Who are u or anyone to decide who is a good candidate or not !?
Get the surgery and stfu with all this hate n discrimination towards others as if it was others people fault that they are taller then u!!!
I saw your height and I am not considering you getting forbidden from this surgery if you are living in a country taller than 175cm.
I am just guaranteeing the necessity of LL cuz yesterday a post about LL arms race warned us that if everyone could achieve LL then LL instead became meaningless cuz taller men were still taller men.
Quote from: Gg on January 23, 2022, 07:30:53 PMYes - a silly question on this site
until one day you did surgery to grow up to like 170cm but orginally 170cm men did it to grow up to like 180cm. Still couldn't make sense.
Quote from: Gg on January 23, 2022, 06:20:53 PMAre you saying ban any person 175 and above from getting ll???
If LL can guarantee it cannot be achieved by anyone who wants to do this then banning is just a joke. But in light of yesterday's post about LL arms race, it is likely not to be just a joke.
Quote from: Gg on January 23, 2022, 08:18:11 PMI mean u've posted nearly 1500 times and you will never do the surgery - have you nothing else to do you are not adding to prospective Limb Lengthening- you are now taking seriously a ll arms race??? wtf
No need to register a new account th. I have to warn you if you were banned but you log in with a new account then you should claim it's your another account, otherwise you are still likely to get banned although I don't think mod will allow banned users to log in with a new account without being banned for one more time 
Quote from: Masteryourlife on January 23, 2022, 07:54:15 PM1) You acting like every short men cares about height as much as we all do while I made example of poeple close to me shorter them me that could not care less .
2) because you are obsessed ,like all here, you consider "normal" or "douable" to brake both of ur legs , put nails in and go trough an exhausting period of distraction ,just to have right after a phase of consolidation where you will have to re-learn how to walk ..even with a weight bearing nail..not even considering that before n after stryde it was about being on wheelchair for months n months .
A LOT of people with height dysphoria out there will NOT do this surgery.
You can just go n scroll down the comment section on ytb on some BBC videos or other programs in the states that brought this procedure ,and you will see how many people claim short heights but they would not do the surgery .
Others say they would but because to type it is easy but they eventually will never go for it because it is a BIG decision .
You forgetting all those factors and acting like this was easy n only thing from stopping taller people to do it it's because they don't know it .
All right I think I have made it clear that if LL arms race will really happen then it's the only feasible way to eradicate LL arms race so I already got your points but the prerequisite of all of what I am talking about is LL arms race will happen. If it won't then O.C what I am saying is just a piss in the wind.
Quote from: zaozari on January 28, 2022, 05:09:38 PMYes it's true I may have not a global view of your posts, I was some time away from the forum and only now was revieweing some of it and seeing your important contributions.
But you seem too radical sometimes when not minimising risks or not accepting some facts.
I keep insisting there was at least one death with Paley, altough I cannot rerence it here right now. And on the other hand, Guichet, together with him, is one of the most experienced and better surgeons in the world. I know that none of them report any serious complications or deaths ever, but it isn't even logical after decades of practice and complex surgeries.
If I misunderstood something else, I'm sorry.
Speaking of death if you can recall one guy that back then you had much hatreds of cuz he addressed thaat having Parkinson or Leukemia is better than being short then I'd tell you that guy is me and rn I am still stuck with this kind of thought and I think if there were 2 options death or living an under 5'5 life then I'd choose the former so death is not a problem for me at all.
Dunno since you can't prove yourself with a death case under Paley's hands why you are spouting Paley's caused at least 1 death case cuz Paley is just the surgeon what I am aiming for so I cannot let go of your unlogical statements sorry.
Quote from: Masteryourlife on January 28, 2022, 08:31:29 PMI respect your opinion and I think we displayed each other position enough .
The only thing I would like to correct is that Paley has the biggest CLL center in the world and no death reported or patients/familiar who claimed such an outcome .
It is always full of CLL patients there so a death would never go unnoticed at such an institute !
U might be mistaking it with giotikas because I never ever heard of this .
I read a topic of a person complaining for Paley s service back in the 90s and kept trash talking him .
He might have made a bad decision and this is not a good thing ..but he is human and it wasn't a cosmetic case .
I invite you to rethink your position on Paley because it's never been a thing on those forums that Paley had a death
and it is written in his online page very clearly and no one ever contradicted that .
This is also why we compare him to other doctors because he had tons of cases and no deaths/serious complications like crippled people etc while others with less loads and years they happened to have poor outcomes .
This underlines that bad luck can be a thing but it's a lot about surgical skills and proper follow ups .
No need to dispute over an unfalsifiable case if you 2 don't mind me to say like that but if it would be death then I would accept if it would be disability then I couldn' although I still think being disabled is better than being short. Just don't wanna become disabled with my money and that is the reason why I don't hesitate to do LL not like common ppl. But you got it right and surgery outcomes comprise lucks, caregiving, skills and etc., instead of just either one of them.
BTW I am fixated on Paley's Option 3 and I was glad to have seen there are some cases of Option 3 on this website so I see hopes in my life rn.
Quote from: Polvorón on January 28, 2022, 11:43:28 PMMost of tall people won't get this procedure done, so that problem will not exist.
Let people be free, if a tall person wants to be even taller, we should accept it.
I changed my thoughts and I confess my stupidities. I think it should be covered by medical insurance just for short patients and the shorter patients are the more the prices must be covered.
Quote from: zaozari on January 31, 2022, 12:36:41 PMYes, I was shocked as I interpreted it as a general position towards every not tall people (as if all people shorther than X cm had worse lives than having dementias and so on).
But if it's your personal feeling of course I respect that and I'm sorry for your feelings.
Just let me say, though, that you seem to have fallen in an exaggerated situation of height neurosis. I don't think in general that psychotherapy can cure height neurosis but I would humbly suggest you tried to "balance" and get some support for better decisions having some counselling. I say that because of own experience, having height neurosis and because I find similarities in our feelings except reaching that point of comparison to Parkinson and cancer, so don't get offended, please.
Regarding at least one death with Paley (I say this "at least" because a minimal number of LL ers come here and surgeons themselves don't admit it (like Guichet) on their web pages), I read it here in this forum from a patient that was hospitalised at the same time. That's why it's not general knowledge, the patient who died never reached the "recover center" in Palm Beach where everybody is.
But it was due to thrombosis, and that can be minimised but not avoided by any surgeon, so it's part of the risks, I was not blamming the surgeon.
Alright thx for your sympathy from my bad feelings but for death, some extreme incels on this forum are plugging away with crazy statements like you don't deserve to live cuz you are short, height takes everything from us besides happiness, if I can't lengthen my tibias by 8cm I will kill myself and etc., so your revelation of Paley's death case doesn't make sense in their shoes cuz they would rather lose their lives than going on being short, let alone you yourself already think that was not Paley's fault.
But we can juxtapose CLL with plastic surgery, which also can lead to death accidentally, and even bad news about plastic surgeries are spread out on Internet at times, but patients are still managing to change theie faces through this surgery cuz they have been give lessons by the society about how important one's appearance is and that being said those who are really striving for getting taller also ignore bad news about CLL to do CLL to get taller.
So this world is mistreating ppl to this extent and we gotta have sympathy from those who wanna change their physical features running the risks caused by various surgeries.
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