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Posted on Apr 20, 2024, 1:34 pm
#11
Quote from: AnotherLLer on April 20, 2024, 01:18:41 PMIt was monorail isn't it? Ilizarov on tibia is by far superior next to TSF frames for external tibia lengthening. Why do they use monorail on tibia in Turkey IDK.

So, if the device didn't malfunction, he would be fine then?

I hope that pure external tibia with decent frames won't be an issue as that's what I'm going to do in about a year.


Well tbh it’s not really about the monorail it’s that Yuksel Yurttas doesn’t know how to properly insert a nail. Starting point is too low on the tibia and there are no blocking screws which is a mistake even a juvenile doctor wouldn’t make. Be very careful of going to these Turkish butchers! They are criminals!
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Posted on Apr 20, 2024, 1:40 pm
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So the problem was doing LON in the first place then. Of course it requires much higher precision and expertise to insert internal nails and that's why it's better to do pure external for tibia and somehow endure being in frames for about a year.

Regarding Turkey, what do you think about doing PRECICE femur there with a doc who has a proven track record of performing it?
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Posted on Apr 20, 2024, 1:55 pm
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Quote from: AnotherLLer on April 20, 2024, 01:40:33 PMSo the problem was doing LON in the first place then. Of course it requires much higher precision and expertise to insert internal nails and that's why it's better to do pure external for tibia and somehow endure being in frames for about a year.

Regarding Turkey, what do you think about doing PRECICE femur there with a doc who has a proven track record of performing it?

Exactly. You need a skilled doctor to do LON, not a hack like Yuksel Yurttas and the other Turkish butchers. I regret going to Turkey, as Yuksel Yurttas and the other butchers are garbage conmen.

Precice Femur is an better choice than tibia, but if you do it, don’t do it with Yuksel Yurttas, or any of the other Turkish butchers!
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Posted on Apr 20, 2024, 2:05 pm
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Well, I'm going to go with a doc who does external tibia for decades. He is specialized in corrections and deformities so I guess I will be fine doing pure external tibia with him and if I get misalignment during the distraction phase, he will be able to correct it before my bones fuse.

Turkey is a mixed bag when it comes to surgeries. There are many clinics and they advertise like crazy. It gives the country the bad rep for doing LL there, although, I believe that not all LL docs are bad there though. One needs to research a lot before pulling the trigger.

In terms of safety, pure external tibia with sturdy frames (not monorails) with the ability for corrections is the best bang for the buck with an experienced surgeon. 2.5-3 inches can be done if one is really short and after that, it's better to grind the money like crazy and save for internal femurs with decent doc rather than cheap out and do LON femurs in Turkey and play Russian roulette.

After all, 3 inches from tibia is not a joke as it adds significant height and makes one appear even taller than he is. For guys between 5'5-5'8, that additional 2.5-3 inch boost from tibia is life changing and they can always wear 2 inch elevators after that to stand even taller until they get enough money for internal femur.
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Posted on Apr 20, 2024, 2:18 pm
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Quote from: AnotherLLer on April 20, 2024, 02:05:25 PMWell, I'm going to go with a doc who does external tibia for decades. He is specialized in corrections and deformities so I guess I will be fine doing pure external tibia with him and if I get misalignment during the distraction phase, he will be able to correct it before my bones fuse.

Turkey is a mixed bag when it comes to surgeries. There are many clinics and they advertise like crazy. It gives the country the bad rep for doing LL there, although, I believe that not all LL docs are bad there though. One needs to research a lot before pulling the trigger.

In terms of safety, pure external tibia with sturdy frames (not monorails) with the ability for corrections is the best bang for the buck with an experienced surgeon. 2.5-3 inches can be done if one is really short and after that, it's better to grind the money like crazy and save for internal femurs with decent doc rather than cheap out and do LON femurs in Turkey and play Russian roulette.

After all, 3 inches from tibia is not a joke as it adds significant height and makes one appear even taller than he is. For guys between 5'5-5'8, that additional 2.5-3 inch boost from tibia is life changing and they can always wear 2 inch elevators after that to stand even taller until they get enough money for internal femur.


Yes, you need to choose a good doctor who is specialized in deformity correction. Not a butcher like Yuksel Yurttas who gives multiple patients chronic pain, deformities, and nerve damage! Yuksel Yurttas is a butcher, and the worst surgeon in Turkey! He needs to be in prison!
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Posted on Apr 21, 2024, 7:27 pm
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You can’t trust these Turkish surgeons! They are born liars and are super arrogant! They need to be in prison for crippling more than 20+ patients! Yuksel Yurttas is a professor in Turkey which just shows you how bad the education system in in Turkey if this butcher is teaching classes!
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Posted on Apr 21, 2024, 10:55 pm
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You shouldn't have done monorail tibia at all cost. It causes misalignment of bones and is not appropriate for corrections. That's why they only use it for humerus and femur. For tibia, only viable choice is TSF or Ilizarov frames because with the use of them, doctors are capable to correct any misalignment during and after the distraction phase.

You have to fix your misaligned bones before you move on with life. Contact doctors in Russia or other place where they routinely perform corrections and get it done to avoid further complications.

Tibia lengthening requires extensive experience in deformity corrections so if a doctor is incapable of correcting deformed tibia bones, you should avoid him at all cost. I guess that Yuksel guy is incapable of that, otherwise he wouldn't be performing tibia lengthening using monorail device in the first place.
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Posted on Apr 22, 2024, 2:37 am
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Quote from: AnotherLLer on April 21, 2024, 10:55:14 PMYou shouldn't have done monorail tibia at all cost. It causes misalignment of bones and is not appropriate for corrections. That's why they only use it for humerus and femur. For tibia, only viable choice is TSF or Ilizarov frames because with the use of them, doctors are capable to correct any misalignment during and after the distraction phase.

You have to fix your misaligned bones before you move on with life. Contact doctors in Russia or other place where they routinely perform corrections and get it done to avoid further complications.

Tibia lengthening requires extensive experience in deformity corrections so if a doctor is incapable of correcting deformed tibia bones, you should avoid him at all cost. I guess that Yuksel guy is incapable of that, otherwise he wouldn't be performing tibia lengthening using monorail device in the first place.


Yes, it will be fixed with doctors in America. I regret going to Yuksel Yurttas, the butcher. Who butchered multiple patients because he is money hungry and doesn’t know how to properly insert a nail in. Of which I am still suffering to this day!
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Posted on Apr 23, 2024, 9:47 am
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I have been following your experience and sorry that things have not gone well, I am hoping that your legs get sorted.

Please can I just ask - you said on a previous post that Giotikas could/would be correcting your legs, here you say you are going to the US to get them corrected. Did you decide not to go with Dr Giotikas and if so why not?
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Posted on Apr 23, 2024, 6:34 pm
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Quote from: Dynamite on April 23, 2024, 09:47:03 AMI have been following your experience and sorry that things have not gone well, I am hoping that your legs get sorted.

Please can I just ask - you said on a previous post that Giotikas could/would be correcting your legs, here you say you are going to the US to get them corrected. Did you decide not to go with Dr Giotikas and if so why not?

Giotikas claimed he could, but not much changed with his approach. Meaning whatever he did was unsuccessful. The only way to properly correct a bony deformity is a TSF frame, which Giotikas claimed he didn’t need.

This is why you need to be very careful of the orthopedic doctors you choose. A junior doctor studying orthopedics in the US wouldn’t make the same mistakes Giotikas and Yuksel Yurttas made!

Although the bony deformity was created by the butcher Yuksel Yurttas, Giotiaks claimed he could fix it without a TSF frame, which turned out to not be true. Even a junior doctor studying at ICLL would know that! Why does a patient know more than a surgeon??
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