Quote from: ghkid2019 on October 02, 2020, 07:57:20 PMLol don't bet on a price drop.
GH Kid is right. If demand increases, prices will increase as well, at least when it comes to experienced doctors like Paley. Of course, there will also be a surge of new doctors offering CLL, but would you really want to be their guinea pig?
Quote from: NotSoBigBadBruin on October 02, 2020, 09:17:15 PMGH Kid is right. If demand increases, prices will increase as well, at least when it comes to experienced doctors like Paley. Of course, there will also be a surge of new doctors offering CLL, but would you really want to be their guinea pig?
Oh btw, I've already seen a doctor from the start of that era: Dr. Nic Gay.
He appears to be a normal sports orthopedic surgeon who just decided out of nowhere he wanted to start offering CLL to make money. He's the only one in the Bay Area offering CLL and he charges $100k. He only offers cosmetic limb lengthening and not discrepancy or deformity.
The website claims he is perfectly capable of inserting Stryde nails because he has inserted many trauma nails before, but he likely has little history handling complications. Im not sure how many LL patients he has had as I have never seen a Dr. Gay diary.
Whats your age and height?
You're not alone with how you feel. I've known I need to get LL for over 10 years but I start to forget it and feel normal when I get into relationships and feel like I can be accepted for what I am now, however.. when crap hits the fan and life slaps you in the face you realise LL is the only way. I'm currently reaching my 30's and panicking about how this time passed....?? Literally working 3 jobs now to hit my target no matter what. Dont panic right now just because you feel down, make sure you set a plan over 2/3 years saving everything and at least 10 years wont go by in a click without results.
GHKid mentioned some cheap doctors; back when I was reading the old forum Ilizarov Centre was like $12k with good results; if something like that is still available I would look into it.
If you want a better career over the next few years go study something like data science online. With some determination you can finish it in a month and get a decent starting salary.
I wouldn't go to a cheap doctor at all. This is not the type of surgery you want to cheap on even if you're desperate. People have ended up dead or not being able to walk anymore. They have had to get there complications fixed by more reputable doctors and it ended up costing them even more. This is something that you need to get right the first time and only time.
1- Incorporate
2- Down-payment on a property you should lease.
3- Inquire on an HSA (health spending account)
4- Use the funds of your surgery so your redirect them into tax credit in your business.
Best way to make the surgery worthwhile, IMO.
Quote from: HobbesTheDog on October 02, 2020, 10:28:35 PMOh btw, I've already seen a doctor from the start of that era: Dr. Nic Gay.
He appears to be a normal sports orthopedic surgeon who just decided out of nowhere he wanted to start offering CLL to make money. He's the only one in the Bay Area offering CLL and he charges $100k. He only offers cosmetic limb lengthening and not discrepancy or deformity.
The website claims he is perfectly capable of inserting Stryde nails because he has inserted many trauma nails before, but he likely has little history handling complications. Im not sure how many LL patients he has had as I have never seen a Dr. Gay diary.
Yeah, I think this is why we need to grow the LL community and spread awareness and educate whoever wants to go through with this surgery.
Quote from: brondo on October 03, 2020, 05:28:24 AMYeah, I think this is why we need to grow the LL community and spread awareness and educate whoever wants to go through with this surgery.
In addition, I have a suspicion that the "prior American surgeon" here: https://www.instagram.com/p/CFh61NWHBX2/
might have been Dr. Gay.
Dr. Mahboubian is considered to be just as good or better than Debiparshad, and Drs. Paley, Rozbruch, and Assayag/Conway are largely considered to be better.
Therefore, I have difficulty believing it was one of those doctors.
It was a mid-procedure complication. As Dr. Paley says,
"Many doctors say they can do it because they can put the nails in, and they probably can. But that's the easy part. The hard part is watching the patient and responding when something goes wrong."
That's where doctors like Dr. Gay fall short. He asserts his skill by saying he has inserted many trauma nails. But if someone had a complication who knows what will happen. People need to be warned.
Quote from: HobbesTheDog on October 03, 2020, 06:44:56 AMIn addition, I have a suspicion that the "prior American surgeon" here: https://www.instagram.com/p/CFh61NWHBX2/
might have been Dr. Gay.
Dr. Mahboubian is considered to be just as good or better than Debiparshad, and Drs. Paley, Rozbruch, and Assayag/Conway are largely considered to be better.
Therefore, I have difficulty believing it was one of those doctors.
It was a mid-procedure complication. As Dr. Paley says,
"Many doctors say they can do it because they can put the nails in, and they probably can. But that's the easy part. The hard part is watching the patient and responding when something goes wrong."
That's where doctors like Dr. Gay fall short. He asserts his skill by saying he has inserted many trauma nails. But if someone had a complication who knows what will happen. People need to be warned.
Yeah, a good LL doctor will know how to deal with complications and know how to fix them. They will also understand the rate to lengthen and how to recognize things like non-unions or preconsolidation. Like what you said, a bunch of doctors can insert a nail, but it's what happens afterwards that makes a quality LL doctor who they are. This Dr. Gay is a huge red flag and I hope people in this community warn others to not to do business with him.
I wouldn't realistically expect a major price drop. It's basic economics with the supply and demand curve. There is a very small supply of qualified orthopedic surgeons who can do leg lengthening surgery, and a very high demand for CLL. So that's why the price is so high. If the price for a qualified surgeon was greatly reduced, demand would be so high the surgeon can only accept a small percentage of clients, and thus be able to raise prices again.
But if you have surgery, there is a return on investment. You're supposed to get an extra $800/year salary for each additional inch of height. Also, being taller helps open opportunities to more high paying jobs, and it's better for your emotional health. So over a few decades, you can get most, if not all and even more, of the money you invested back.
Quote from: Stryder2021 on October 03, 2020, 02:01:36 PMIf the price for a qualified surgeon was greatly reduced, demand would be so high the surgeon can only accept a small percentage of clients, and thus be able to raise prices again.
And if the inverse happens, way more supply of qualified surgeons than demand for LL, they could just change the focus of their practices. You will never see cheap LL except by going to a poor country, and it's not cheap compared to other things there.
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