if you train hard, you might gain back 110% athleticism.

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Read:

http://www.rug.nl/news/2011/07/opinie29_2011?lang=en

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/home/books/article-2412477/What-makes-Usain-fellow-runners-bolt-THE-SPORTS-GENE-BY-DAVID-EPSTEIN.html

essentially longer tibias are better for running (his calves are 6 cm longer than normal). also longer legs compared to torso are better.

also look at the prosthesis (running blades) runners.... there are complains that some add longer and longer "tibias" to break old records.

also if u do ur tibia, ur calf muscles are higher up, same as bolt.

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this might sound preposterous but let me quote:

QuoteThe average ratio between lower leg and upper leg is 103 percent. Usain Bolt’s is 112 percent. His lower legs are much longer than you would expect, given the length of his upper legs − a full six centimetres longer than normal. His calf muscle is relatively small and is set very high, like a horse’s.’

QuoteUntil recently, tall people were discouraged from becoming world-class sprinters. Bolt’s feats, however, have shown that height can be an advantage. If the proportions are right, that is. Otten: ‘I’m pretty certain that people with short lower legs will always lose as sprinters. They can train as much as they like, but that will only increase their chances slightly. They’ll never manage to break Bolt’s record.’

QuoteWhat suits one sport doesn’t suit another. Male sprinters are 2in taller than average, with all the extra height in their legs

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Quote from: KirP1 on March 13, 2015, 06:05:24 PMwhy are you trying to convince yourself that you will be better in sports after 8cm lengthening in your tibias? you really know that that isnt going to be. do not fool yourself

im quoting this scenario:

before op, 14 percent body fat, didn't do plyometrics

after op, 10% body fat, plyometrics daily

I think it is likely to increase vertical leap (not by surgery, but by plyometrics)

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Quote from: crimsontide on March 13, 2015, 06:14:39 PMkirk, que paso...


these guys wanna  daydream....


there is no way  anyone is going to be better  at sports after lengthening 8 cm....  zero chance that happens


expect to be around 90% realistically, maybe a bit more... best case scenario

nope, it might be possible. if you keep every variable constant (ie, same amount of training, same amount of plyometircs or lack of plyometrics), then u recover 90%

u can recover 120% if u work much harder than before surgery (eg, nba conditioning exercises, plyometrics, reduce body fat)

if ur super lazy and fat before LL, but become super-fit after LL, I don see why its impossible to be in a better shape and more agile.

and add the biomechanical advantages in this article.. u might be fitter than ever before.

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anyway I haven't heard of anyone who done plyometrics and agility training, so it is still an Untested area.

crimsontide is too pessimistic. to be honest when I was reading his diary I was actually laughing.. (though I felt bad for him)... eg.. his frames were so tight, he kept complaining.. he complaining his ballerina and that it was "dangerous" etc.. the wheelchair collapsed for him... his "black oil" coming out..the desire to remove the "tight" frames, in a sense, it was so funny that I literally burst out laughing.. (no offense)

when I was recovering post-op I kept reading his diary and it made me so happy and positive. cos' I wasn't experiencing anything he did.. I am basically doing well except for some knee contracture. my distal pin sites are fine but in these few days started to ache badly, I just hope I am not crimsontide no2...

he is pessimistic for most things but he has reassured us that we will be fine after surgery, in terms of non-sports abilities

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in medicine and sports, nothing is impossible.. doctors say it is likely vs unlikely. I admit its unlikely to gain back 100% or 110% athleticism. this doesn't mean, in the RIGHT CASE and given the correct effort, it is impossible.

ive yet to see any pro-athlete or even semi-pro take on LL or anyone who is even a little into contact sports and the conditioning that these sports need... goodfootbaler, I didn't read that he did any leg or plyometric exercise.. Sweden too.MDOW gave up on plyo... and Sysop/apo is a fat-looking man who only did plyometric boxes pathetically(like, what, 7 inches)

patient suffers from cancer and a lesion removed from her cerebral coretex. she didn't study in her pre-cancer years. after she got cancer, she decided to study doubly hard. but doctor crimsontide will say its impossible for u to get the same results as you did before.. that is the intelligence behind his argument...lol

I thought he was done whining In his diary... crimson if u wanna regain your abilities (if ur a sports person but I doubt so), u cant sit on the wheelchair all day long like when u were lengthening. u gta put in some effort.

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Quote from: crimsontide on March 13, 2015, 06:31:46 PMim realistic.... you have x legs now and youre writing this nonsense???

realistic, not pessimistic

you have x legs, and youre talking about being 120%

also, i never experienced knee pain, and had zero knee contracture... you are taking these things way too lightly... they are not insignificant

forget about  this dream of 120% athletic ability, and fix the knee contracture and x legs

its not called being realistic, it is called being stuck in a box, and being rigid.

if I was 100 kg before LL and slimmed down to 50 kilo after LL, will I not do better in sports?

if I did zero hours of leg training before LL and after LL did nba-style conditioning for hours daily, will I not do better?

it is only logical.

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FP possibly got me.

I think you guys are comparing pre and post-op POTENTIAL, and not relative athleticism.

example.

pre-op a lazy guy who doesn't train has a vertical leap of 60 cm. his potential that is unrealised is actually 80 cm if he cuts down body fat and train plyometrics

post-op, this lazy guy works like hell.  his vertical leap became 70 cm. his potential now is only 70 cm (it used to be 80). he can never get 80 cm no matter how hard he trains.

this is what I mean.

in other words u guys shouldn't be so stuck up and bigoted individuals.. forever trapped in a confined way of thinking..... this wont get u anwhere in life.. I was NOT referring to POTENTIAL.

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Quote from: Sean Connery on March 13, 2015, 10:14:49 PMThe data available only points to a decrease in function, not an increase. This is severely wishful thinking

decrease in POTENTIAL function. but it might well be an increase in absolute function (if someone trains harder than before LL)

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Quote from: Sean Connery on March 13, 2015, 10:23:02 PMAnd what are the chances of a lazy ass before limb lengthening suddenly training like he's going to try out for the Olympics?

I don't like being told I cant do things.

But ur right, personality is hard to change.