Is coming back to 100% a myth?

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Is coming back to 100% or even close to 100% a myth for CLL? Have there actually been any patients (who've most likely done a conservative amount of lengthening like 5cm) been able to claim that they have returned to basically 100%. Like when you finish the whole process does it feel like you just got taller and nothing else is off? Athleticism is important to me, not just for recreational sports but for everyday activities around the house. Can enough PT get you back to 100% or will you definitely give up some no matter what? I've read things about people feeling like they were on "stilts" while performing athletic activities and didn't feel like themselves. Does this feeling go away or are your biomechanics off permanently?

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id say it depends on what the persons definition of 100% is
if youre an elite level athlete then no youll probably never get back to that level, or by the time you do youll no longer be in your prime age.
if yuou just wanna play intramural beer league stuff with your friends, then yeah its 100% possible to get back to a recreational level of athelticism
but if you think you can become an olympian after this procedure then its best to keep dreaming.

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Quote from: wannabeidol on October 07, 2020, 05:10:59 PMid say it depends on what the persons definition of 100% is
if youre an elite level athlete then no youll probably never get back to that level, or by the time you do youll no longer be in your prime age.
if yuou just wanna play intramural beer league stuff with your friends, then yeah its 100% possible to get back to a recreational level of athelticism
but if you think you can become an olympian after this procedure then its best to keep dreaming.

I guess what I mean by 100% athleticism is being able to do the things you were capable of doing before and maybe a bit more. Like I'm squatting a bit over 400 lbs right now. If I work hard can I squat 430 lbs after 2 years post-op surgery?

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Quote from: brondo on October 07, 2020, 05:18:05 PMI guess what I mean by 100% athleticism is being able to do the things you were capable of doing before and maybe a bit more. Like I'm squatting a bit over 400 lbs right now. If I work hard can I squat 430 lbs after 2 years post-op surgery?

If you lengthen femurs squats will most definitely be harder.

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Quote from: brondo on October 07, 2020, 05:18:05 PMI guess what I mean by 100% athleticism is being able to do the things you were capable of doing before and maybe a bit more. Like I'm squatting a bit over 400 lbs right now. If I work hard can I squat 430 lbs after 2 years post-op surgery?

i guess we have to break it to down to :

loss of muscle volume from distraction
relearning to squat with  new biomechanics

most of your docs will probably tell you not to lift heavy until your hardware removal+ 1 month
so lets say thats about 13/14 months
if you were to decondition for 13 months  lets say your squat would go down to 135
but it comes back quick, probably in 4 months youd be comforably i the high 200's again

but with the new height
youd have to change the way you squat
are you high bar masterrace? or lowbar?

i post this vid on here all the time
im assuming youre gunning for femurs?


tldr: post op regaining your muscle mass will come relatively easier. however you will need to retrain your body to adapt to new proportions/centre of gravity. i think reaching 430 in 2 years is too lofty of a goal ( unless you use gear then thats probably reasonable) but i would give yourself a full year  from fully healed ( one month after removal) to get close to baseline

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Quote from: wannabeidol on October 07, 2020, 05:34:19 PMi guess we have to break it to down to :

loss of muscle volume from distraction
relearning to squat with  new biomechanics

most of your docs will probably tell you not to lift heavy until your hardware removal+ 1 month
so lets say thats about 13/14 months
if you were to decondition for 13 months  lets say your squat would go down to 135
but it comes back quick, probably in 4 months youd be comforably i the high 200's again

but with the new height
youd have to change the way you squat
are you high bar masterrace? or lowbar?

i post this vid on here all the time
im assuming youre gunning for femurs?


tldr: post op regaining your muscle mass will come relatively easier. however you will need to retrain your body to adapt to new proportions/centre of gravity. i think reaching 430 in 2 years is too lofty of a goal ( unless you use gear then thats probably reasonable) but i would give yourself a full year  from fully healed ( one month after removal) to get close to baseline

Thanks wannabeidol. I was wondering if this would be easier if I did 5cm or maybe less? My femurs are actually really short so I might have some wiggle room there. Have you done CLL yourself, are you speaking from experience?

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Quote from: brondo on October 07, 2020, 05:44:23 PMThanks wannabeidol. I was wondering if this would be easier if I did 5cm or maybe less? My femurs are actually really short so I might have some wiggle room there. Have you done CLL yourself, are you speaking from experience?

not yet hopfully by the end of the month

more speaking with experience with my degree in sport science/ as a powerlifter/olylifter

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Quote from: wannabeidol on October 07, 2020, 05:34:19 PMi guess we have to break it to down to :

loss of muscle volume from distraction
relearning to squat with  new biomechanics

most of your docs will probably tell you not to lift heavy until your hardware removal+ 1 month
so lets say thats about 13/14 months
if you were to decondition for 13 months  lets say your squat would go down to 135
but it comes back quick, probably in 4 months youd be comforably i the high 200's again

but with the new height
youd have to change the way you squat
are you high bar masterrace? or lowbar?

i post this vid on here all the time
im assuming youre gunning for femurs?


tldr: post op regaining your muscle mass will come relatively easier. however you will need to retrain your body to adapt to new proportions/centre of gravity. i think reaching 430 in 2 years is too lofty of a goal ( unless you use gear then thats probably reasonable) but i would give yourself a full year  from fully healed ( one month after removal) to get close to baseline

This is a really great video. Very clearly demonstrates the importance of ratios above all else in the squat.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but the implication here seems to be that (assuming recovery is good and flexibility is not compromised following CLL), someone could actually get a deeper squat by lengthening tibias, all other things held equal. And yeah, lengthening femurs only, generally speaking, will be detrimental to back squat depth.

@brondo, this video might be useful to you. This person was on C4L's channel and lengthened femurs 2in (~5cm) and was back in the gym doing light leg presses, not full weight bearing, after 1.5 months. We're all pretty much guinea pigs here, but proportion/biomechanics/complications issues aside, if flexibility is fine I don't see any reason why someone wouldn't be able to go back to full athletic performance 2 years post op especially if they work hard. Then again I'm just another crazy optimistic person who actually looks forward to this surgery so a lot of it is probably wishful thinking  .

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Quote from: wannabeidol on October 07, 2020, 05:52:47 PMnot yet hopfully by the end of the month

more speaking with experience with my degree in sport science/ as a powerlifter/olylifter

Gotcha, thanks. Are you going to try to go the full length when/if you get LL or are you trying to maintain your athleticism as well and play it conservatively?

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Quote from: anaverageperson on October 07, 2020, 06:10:04 PMThis is a really great video. Very clearly demonstrates the importance of ratios above all else in the squat.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but the implication here seems to be that (assuming recovery is good and flexibility is not compromised following CLL), someone could actually get a deeper squat by lengthening tibias, all other things held equal. And yeah, lengthening femurs only, generally speaking, will be detrimental to back squat depth.

@brondo, this video might be useful to you. This person was on C4L's channel and lengthened femurs 2in (~5cm) and was back in the gym doing light leg presses, not full weight bearing, after 1.5 months. We're all pretty much guinea pigs here, but proportion/biomechanics/complications issues aside, if flexibility is fine I don't see any reason why someone wouldn't be able to go back to full athletic performance 2 years post op especially if they work hard. Then again I'm just another crazy optimistic person who actually looks forward to this surgery so a lot of it is probably wishful thinking  .

i would say the best takeaway is that certain proportions suit certain squatting styles.
longer femurs and low bar squatting go hand in hand