Women prioritize superficial aspects of life, treating it like a fashion show, and base their reproductive decisions accordingly, as if they view their male partner as a mere accessory to be showcased at the catwalk of life. This is a trivial mentality; and can't say I'd undergo this procedure to simply adhere to such worldview.
Quote from: p00293 on April 25, 2023, 12:19:30 PMThe man needs to be the one initiating anywhere, the experience of the overwhelming majority of men is that they have to chase the girls. Whether she accepts you is based off looks and height, not your confidence.
I agree the difference between 5ft 9 and 6ft isn't the same as going from 5ft 7 to 5ft 10 (short to average). They're both still well worth doing, much the same way I'd rather bang prime Megan Fox than the cute girl next door, but ultimately both are worth the shag.
Looks (which height is part of) and also vibe. Height is something easy to fixate on because it is a number.. unlike facial attractivness and vibe. Again, I am not saying height aint important and I am sure after ll I will be found more attractive to more women but I dont think believing one would become a slayer afterwards is a good mindset
Quote from: informationispower on April 25, 2023, 01:10:21 PMLooks (which height is part of) and also vibe. Height is something easy to fixate on because it is a number.. unlike facial attractivness and vibe. Again, I am not saying height aint important and I am sure after ll I will be found more attractive to more women but I dont think believing one would become a slayer afterwards is a good mindset
But nobody, not one person, has ever fking said that, which is why it's extremely frustrating when gatekeepers use it as a strawman.
WE ALL KNOW IF YOU HAVE AN AVERAGE FACE YOU WON'T BE A SLAYER. WE ALL KNOW IF YOU'RE DOWNRIGHT UGLY YOU'LL STRUGGLE TO GET GIRLS NO MATTER YOUR HEIGHT.
That is IRRELEVANT as to whether it's worth getting LL at 5ft 9 or not. Being 6ft rather than 5ft 9 will help quite a bit - according to your own words, it'll increase your potential dating pool by 28%, hardly a small amount (plus the girls who would have dated you anyway are probably even more attracted at 6ft, so you won't have to work as hard to get them). That applies whether you're a 5ft 9 Chad or just some average 5ft 9 guy with a handful of lays, a couple of LTR's but nothing impressive.
To slay you need both a good face and a good height. But there's a whole lotta shades of grey between slaying and being some permavirgin d moderator. Average face + 6ft height is better than average face + 5ft 9 height, end of story, the 6ft guy will do better, although it's unlikely either of them will be slaying like some 8/10 Chad.
Quote from: p00293 on April 25, 2023, 01:20:17 PM (plus the girls who would have dated you anyway are probably even more attracted at 6ft, so you won't have to work as hard to get them).
That is the main thing I dont agree with. I think that once you passed a looks threshold for a given woman you "are in". Now only thing that matters is your personality. You don't have it easier if you become even more good looking.
Again, all my opinions come from personal experience and observations.
Once a girl finds you attractive, it is hard to fk it up. Only thing that is true is that the more attractive you are, more girls will find you attractive. It is a numbers game
Quote from: informationispower on April 25, 2023, 02:06:01 PMThat is the main thing I dont agree with. I think that once you passed a looks threshold for a given woman you "are in". Now only thing that matters is your personality. You don't have it easier if you become even more good looking.
Again, all my opinions come from personal experience and observations.
Once a girl finds you attractive, it is hard to fk it up. Only thing that is true is that the more attractive you are, more girls will find you attractive. It is a numbers game
To disprove this, just think how much bull you'd take from a girlfriend who looked like prime Taylor Swift. You'd put up with a hell of a lot of BS to keep her.
Now think about how much bull you'd take to keep some 6/10 girl who you're still 'attracted' to, but not as much. Yeah, you wouldn't be tolerating near as much from her.
And I see no evidence at all that men and women are fundamentally different in terms of attraction. The 'le personality' pill was proven garbage over a decade ago now, only looks matter so I see no reason being better looking wouldn't make it easier to get those girls who would nevertheless have settled for you if you were uglier/shorter (but you know, that's why they call it 'settling', with all the negative connotations that word provides).
Quote from: p00293 on April 25, 2023, 05:22:28 PMTo disprove this, just think how much bull you'd take from a girlfriend who looked like prime Taylor Swift. You'd put up with a hell of a lot of BS to keep her.
Now think about how much bull you'd take to keep some 6/10 girl who you're still 'attracted' to, but not as much. Yeah, you wouldn't be tolerating near as much from her.
And I see no evidence at all that men and women are fundamentally different in terms of attraction. The 'le personality' pill was proven garbage over a decade ago now, only looks matter so I see no reason being better looking wouldn't make it easier to get those girls who would nevertheless have settled for you if you were uglier/shorter (but you know, that's why they call it 'settling', with all the negative connotations that word provides).
Let's agree to disagree. Anyways, I wish you a safe and easy lengthening
I mean I think p00293's point are all logical and I don't know what there is to disagree with there lol. Height for male will help you in any part of life and if you're below 6'2 you prob want to grow taller. But 5'10 is prob the cut off where this surgery isn't worth it for the ty journey you have to go through. Although I still see many people in my clinic who are over 6 feet doing it, but to each their own.
Quote from: ballsackoffury123 on April 25, 2023, 08:41:26 PMI mean I think p00293's point are all logical and I don't know what there is to disagree with there lol. Height for male will help you in any part of life and if you're below 6'2 you prob want to grow taller. But 5'10 is prob the cut off where this surgery isn't worth it for the ty journey you have to go through. Although I still see many people in my clinic who are over 6 feet doing it, but to each their own.
I dont disagree per se with what he says, I disagree with the black and white view. There is of course the fact that you and I believe he are americans, and americans DO HAVE a huge fixation with height, unlike europe where while height is an important attribute for a guy, it isnt the be all end all as much as in the states
Quote from: informationispower on April 25, 2023, 08:50:04 PMI dont disagree per se with what he says, I disagree with the black and white view. There is of course the fact that you and I believe he are americans, and americans DO HAVE a huge fixation with height, unlike europe where while height is an important attribute for a guy, it isnt the be all end all as much as in the states
I do think we broadly agree with the main points - I don't accept confidence or personality has any noticeable effect whatsoever but that's somewhat outside the scope of LL.
5ft 9 to 6ft is less of an effect than something like 5ft 6 to 5ft 9, or 5ft 7 to 5ft 10, though I still think all of those are worth doing. I'd probably 'cap' it at 5ft 10 to 6ft 1 as the last point where it'd be worth the journey - while 5ft 11 to 6ft 2 is a 'benefit', we're starting to hit the law of diminishing returns quite fast at that point IMO, and from 6ft to any height above it the benefits are very slight indeed.
Never been to Europe but Im of Asian decent living in America (born and raised in California). If you think Americans have prejudice on height, Asia is 3x worse, even though they’re shorter in general. One guy in my clinic said he’s from Hong Kong and literally can’t apply for the banking job he wanted unless he’s above 5’6”.
Anyways yes the value of the surgery diminishes the taller you are originally, but to answer OP 5’9 ain’t it. I’m 174cm originally (5’8) and going to be 182cm. I go from the 38th percentile of men in America to the 80th percentile. And 56th percentile in Asia originally to the 94th percentile. I’m pretty sure my life’s gonna change
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