Quote from: hippo60 on April 27, 2023, 02:27:47 AMNo woman will want to touch you with a ten-foot pole, regardless of your height. You're insufferable, and an intellectual moron. I'm done.
Lol, you're bald bro.
I don’t know why this is turning into such an augmentable post.
OP, I’m assuming you’re going to be doing precice 2.2? Good luck thinking this will be worth it just to say you’re 6’0”. You have no idea how hard this is going to be, you’ll be disabled for a long time if you intend to break 6 bones.
Ultimately, you do you. If I was 5’9 I’d never do this surgery let alone consider doing it.
Good luck on your final decision.
N.o of women that would accept dating a guy that's 5'10 is 86% (https://www.researchgate.net/publication/236670565_The_height_of_choosiness_Mutual_mate_choice_for_stature_results_in_suboptimal_pair_formation_for_both_sxxes). That's also considering that in their head it's the self-reported version of 5'9 (i.e. in their head 5'10 to them is what men that claim to be 5'10 are). I would say that it's actually 5'9 since most guys lie about their height by 1 inch.
That number goes up to 98% at 6'0, which seems like a lot. But the data also suggests it goes down to 91% at 6'2 and to 79% at 6'3. I think this would go against what you think. Even if we assumed that these statistics were based on reality (men not lying about their height) a guy that's 5'9 would have the same dating pool as a guy that's 6'4 (66 vs 68%). That's negligible.
Girls don't care about guys being tall. It's a bonus for some people for sure, but people aren't going to sh!t on you for not being tall. Girls just don't like guys that are short (it really starts getting bad below 5'8 and honestly terrible below 5'5).
Quote from: BlueThunder on April 27, 2023, 05:23:36 PMN.o of women that would accept dating a guy that's 5'10 is 86% (https://www.researchgate.net/publication/236670565_The_height_of_choosiness_Mutual_mate_choice_for_stature_results_in_suboptimal_pair_formation_for_both_sxxes). That's also considering that in their head it's the self-reported version of 5'9 (i.e. in their head 5'10 to them is what men that claim to be 5'10 are). I would say that it's actually 5'9 since most guys lie about their height by 1 inch.
That number goes up to 98% at 6'0, which seems like a lot. But the data also suggests it goes down to 91% at 6'2 and to 79% at 6'3. I think this would go against what you think. Even if we assumed that these statistics were based on reality (men not lying about their height) a guy that's 5'9 would have the same dating pool as a guy that's 6'4 (66 vs 68%). That's negligible.
Girls don't care about guys being tall. It's a bonus for some people for sure, but people aren't going to sh!t on you for not being tall. Girls just don't like guys that are short (it really starts getting bad below 5'8 and honestly terrible below 5'5).
That is on fact the study on which the incel jeight graph is based upon. The jump from 5'9 to 5'10 is massive ( 22%) and also the jump from 5'7 to 5'8 (35% vs 55%).
Quote from: BlueThunder on April 27, 2023, 05:23:36 PMN.o of women that would be acceptable dating a guy that's 5'10 is 86% (https://www.researchgate.net/publication/236670565_The_height_of_choosiness_Mutual_mate_choice_for_stature_results_in_suboptimal_pair_formation_for_both_sxxes). That's also considering that in their head it's the self-reported version of 5'9 (i.e. in their head 5'10 to them is what men that claim to be 5'10 are). I would say that it's actually 5'9 since most guys lie about their height by 1 inch.
That number goes up to 98% at 6'0, which seems like a lot. But the data also suggests it goes down to 91% at 6'2 and to 79% at 6'3. I think this would go against what you think. Even if we assumed that these statistics were based on reality (men not lying about their height) a guy that's 5'9 would have the same dating pool as a guy that's 6'4 (66 vs 68%). That's negligible.
Girls don't care about guys being tall. It's a bonus for some people for sure, but people aren't going to on you for not being tall. Girls just don't like guys that are short (it really starts getting bad below 5'8 and honestly terrible below 5'5).
Doesn't say that at all so don't act like it does: it's intellectually dishonest. From the same link you just provided: "We show that sxxual conflict at the level of preferences is translated into choice: women were most likely to choose a speed-dater 25 cm taller than themselves, whereas men were most likely to choose women only 7 cm shorter than themselves. As a consequence, matches were most likely at an intermediate height difference (19 cm) that differed significantly from the preferred height difference of both sxxes."
Your own study shows that 6ft is the ideal height where diminishing returns kick in after, therefore getting LL from 5ft 9 to 6ft is a decent boost to your sxxual market value. Anyone telling you 5ft 9 is the perfect height for women is simply trying to sabotage you. It's actually EXACTLY what I've been saying - the cut off to benefit significantly from LL is around 5ft 10 to 6ft 1. Going from 5ft 11 to 6ft 2 isn't really justifiable from a cost-benefit perspective, and getting LL at 6ft+ has no real benefit at all.
The bottom line is, 5ft 9 is not a 'good height', it's a disadvantage, no two ways about it.
Quote from: p00293 on April 27, 2023, 05:45:38 PMDoesn't say that at all so don't act like it does: it's intellectually dishonest. From the same link you just provided: "We show that sxxual conflict at the level of preferences is translated into choice: women were most likely to choose a speed-dater 25 cm taller than themselves, whereas men were most likely to choose women only 7 cm shorter than themselves. As a consequence, matches were most likely at an intermediate height difference (19 cm) that differed significantly from the preferred height difference of both sxxes."
Your own study shows that 6ft is the ideal height where diminishing returns kick in after, therefore getting LL from 5ft 9 to 6ft is a decent boost to your sxxual market value. Anyone telling you 5ft 9 is the perfect height for women is simply trying to sabotage you. It's actually EXACTLY what I've been saying - the cut off to benefit significantly from LL is around 5ft 10 to 6ft 1. Going from 5ft 11 to 6ft 2 isn't really justifiable from a cost-benefit perspective, and getting LL at 6ft+ has no real benefit at all.
The bottom line is, 5ft 9 is not a 'good height', it's a disadvantage, no two ways about it.
Facts. +1
I literally lived as a 5’9 male for the last 11 years and can tell you being in the 45th percentile of men in America is NOT a great height. Is it better than 5’6? Hell to the fking yes it is. But you still get indirectly called a “short king”. When I go out with girl friends they’re always like “oohhh find me a tall guy here, anyone that’s 6 ft”. And it’s not just one or two girls, they all want the best. Just like how is guys wants the hot and fit chicks, they want attractive and tall and fit guys.
Yeah, the "ideal" not the minimum. Those percentage are what women would ACCEPT not what they would find ideal. Sure, 5'9 is going to be neutral for a lot of people. So what? At least those people would give guys at that height a chance. At that point, if you meet the minimum cut off, you're better off improving your looks in other ways or pursuing other cosmetic surgeries. It's a better trade off than doing LL. Imo, going from a 5 --> 7 facially at 5'9 will yield much better returns that staying at a 5 and being 6'0. Plenty of girls simp for guys at average height because they're very attractive facially.
Girls don't drool over anyone that's tall. Go look at what people 6'0+ have to say. You still have to be attractive and socially competent if you want A LOT of attention. Being 6'3 doesn't automatically mean you drown in p*ssy. Having an attractive face makes you attractive to a lot of people, but not if you're below someone's minimum height threshold (which for a lot of people is somewhere btwn 5'8-5'10).
Quote from: BlueThunder on April 28, 2023, 04:05:49 AMYeah, the "ideal" not the minimum. Those percentage are what women would ACCEPT not what they would find ideal. Sure, 5'9 is going to be neutral for a lot of people. So what? At least those people would give guys at that height a chance. At that point, if you meet the minimum cut off, you're better off improving your looks in other ways or pursuing other cosmetic surgeries. It's a better trade off than doing LL. Imo, going from a 5 --> 7 facially at 5'9 will yield much better returns that staying at a 5 and being 6'0. Plenty of girls simp for guys at average height because they're very attractive facially.
Girls don't drool over anyone that's tall. Go look at what people 6'0+ have to say. You still have to be attractive and socially competent if you want A LOT of attention. Being 6'3 doesn't automatically mean you drown in p*ssy. Having an attractive face makes you attractive to a lot of people, but not if you're below someone's minimum height threshold (which for a lot of people is somewhere btwn 5'8-5'10).
I've said it before and I'll say it again: face and height are not mutually exclusive. If I was a 3/10 facially, why would I want to be a 5/10 over a 7/10? That's the same thing with height. If you're 5'9 why would you want to settle for just average? That's like me saying I'll get a nice fade, put on a chain, some rings, a nice pair of air forces, but I'll stay fat instead of cutting down to 10% bodyfat for a nice jawline and getting ripped asf since I'm already "presentable" enough to get at least some girls.
Obviously, height is more complicated because there's a bigger grey area of people who won't be willing to get LL done since it's hard asf to get 70-120k for surgery and brutal to think about complications. If you're one of those people who are just fine for settling for average height, thats okay, you do you. But, I and many others are ambitious and will risk more trying to do the best we can and there's literally nothing wrong with that.
^ +1 to your concept. Some people just dumb af and needs to get off this forum if they don’t want CLL. Nothing wrong with that, but if you think adding 3.15 inches to your height as a male (unless ur 6’1 already) won’t help you in life in general, you tripping.
Now do you NEED it, absolutely not. You’ll love a beautiful life as a 5,9 male, but I can absolutely gaurantee you’ll love an even better one as a 6 feet male
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