I've been accused of thinking irrationally about deciding to undergo LL to cure my Height Dysphoria
They say i'm young and that i'll grow out of it or i'll end up accepting/embracing myself.
I doubt that because a year of Therapy hasn't worked, and i've been suffering for about 3 years now, with it getting worse every day.
thinking about this surgery is my "happy-place" whenever i breakdown.
I tend to think of it , i have high hopes.. but people around me seem to shatter them.
It is a dream to me.. It's an escape from being so caught up with useless worries.. I hate worrying about my height. But it's as if there's someone else within me, that just wants to destroy me. it's just not in my hands to decide whether to worry about it or not
I'm not stupid for wanting to fulfill one of my dreams, Am I? Even though it may damage me financially.
No one in my family supports me in this decision. And i'm starting to feel extremely depressed because LL was my only key to happiness... I just can't seem to be at peace unless i fulfill this deeming wish.
Please tell me that LL is a rational decision for young people who are depressed and have Height Dysphoria..
Quote from: DreamOf180cm on December 26, 2016, 08:54:18 PMHow tall are you? I think if you're below average and you spend A LOT of energy thinking about height and you get depressed over it, by all means LL will help. Not irrtational imo, you only have one life and you should do everything you can to have a GOOD LIFE!
I am 5'6.. 168cm
When you capitalized "A LOT of energy".. i couldn't agree more.
90% of my freaking youth is wasted on stressing over this useless problem. I'm getting sick of it.
I am actually depressed. I don't eat properly. I can't sleep without crying once (Yes, as embarrassing as it may seem, i will point this out so you can understand what i'm going through) and I've fallen back in studies.
I've tried to be strong. I've tried to not care.. It just seems to be getting worse and worse, day by day.
I believe LL is irrational but it will definitely turn things around for me..
Quote from: CaptainAmerica on December 26, 2016, 08:24:09 PMNot at all. Not for males under 5'6.
See this:
https://www.reddit.com/r/short/comments/4q6h7g/4_month_tinder_drought/
Guy went months swiping right on everyone and never even got a single match.
Society is becoming more and more concerned with how you look. The dynamics of dating are shifting, due to things like social media and Tinder. Young women today would rather be caught dead than post a photo with a short dude on social media, or be seen walking with one.
If you're under 5'6, it will be exponentially more difficult to get ANY female attention. Under 5'10? You don't need it, but it would really help.
If you're 5'10+ just wear good sneakers or slide 2cm lifts under the soles, say you're 6', and call it a day.
Of course, if you're older than 30, this all changes. Women will be less picky and willing to settle down. They'll care less about society's judgement and you'll have more of a chance no matter how short you are.
But I'm not going to spend my prime years celibate over a few inches. And I'm only 18 (stopped growing at 15) and I'm already so sick of the just be confident and successful facade. It's a coin toss that sometimes works, but it takes too long, and it still doesn't dismiss the issue entirely. I just want a girl to naturally like me upon first seeing me, no games about it.
With every 2 inches of height gained, the risk of suicide in males goes down a whole 9%.
https://www.vice.com/en_us/article/it-sucks-to-be-a-short-guy-511
Girls aside, being a short man intrinsically sets you up for a lack of respect anywhere you go. Especially if you want to participate in the upper-tiers of society, good luck. Whenever I've gone to the opera house, a nice restaurant, or the VIP lounge at an airport. Guess what? Average height was 6'1 easily. I feel like a freaking kid walking around. People don't take me seriously at those places, and I don't blame them, the juxtaposition is almost comical.
For most people, who lengthen conservatively (5cm maximum on each segment) and who have realistic expectations about their mobility afterwards, this surgery could really boost your quality of life.
I've stopped growing at 14.
And i'm not concerned about the women man.. I have no interest in getting feedback from others. I honestly do not care what others say..
I do not like being inferior to others. I don't feel like a man, i feel like a little kid as you said.
I feel small, useless.. all that "gain some confidence" is B.S, it does not solve the problem at all.. just makes you forget it for a while before it jumps up right back at you again.
Also, i don't believe i'll ever "grow out of it" because an insecurity tends to stay with you until the day you die. you just learn how to conceal it, and then end up sobbing alone where no one sees.
Quote from: CaptainAmerica on December 26, 2016, 09:18:06 PMIs it irrational to want to not be ostracized from society or social circles because you're shorter than everyone else there? Is it irrational to want to prevent your genes from dying out in the gene pool?
Beyond that, why do you think it is irrational? And why even bother calling it that. Do you want it? Good. Who cares whether it's rational or not. Many of the successful people in this world (Ford, Wright brothers, Jobs) were told that their ideas were irrational.
This is your life, you have to endure it. Do exactly what you want with it but always know the weight of the decisions you make.
Damn man.. you really brightened up my day. I don't know how else to thank you.
Yes, I do know the weight of every choice I want to make.
I always, "always" do my research, weigh out the pros & cons, and then come to a conclusion.
I will do everything i can to make this happen. Thank you. 
Quote from: DreamOf180cm on December 26, 2016, 09:17:53 PMJames24 - I know how you feel, there are times where I cry as well. My high school years went by like crap because of my height. Honestly just listen to yourself, if you think you need it, then you probably do. I've already promised myself when I was 15-16 that I would get this done one way or another. I'm 19 atm and I think I will try to do it in 1-2 years.
You go man.. You do what you wanna do.
Don't let anyone discriminate you for it.
I may too, do it in the next 1-2 years.
I had an appointment with my surgeon today and he say's i'm very much qualified, although he recommends to wait another 6 months just to be sure if i may change my mind or not.
Hey, buddy, if you want to get it done, Go somewhere you trust. wish you the best man. thanks
Quote from: guichethope on December 26, 2016, 08:06:46 PMIt is ! But ..... we have do do it smart ! It must not prevent us to live our lifes . Think about all the consequences that can happen . For my part I am really worried about cancer and fat embolism that could happen ( not sure at all for cancer , I'm a bit paranoic ) . Think , take your time , don't screwd up your life . Make money and then do it smart if you think it's worth it . For me if I was 177 or 176 I would never thought about this but I'm a 170 so .... I'm only 19 and i count to do it when I'll be 21 femur and 22 tibs or the opposite ( no one will know ) . But live your life till you get the damn money . Advice wear lift If you're so bad ( till the surgerie )
Thanks man, 170 ain't so bad.
Again, It's not about how tall you are, it's about how you feel about yourself
Argh yes.. the damn money. Biggest issue so far.
Yeah, i must take my time. no rush.
I have thought it about it for months now.. I'm ready to wait another year just to make sure i'll be confident in my decision by then
Quote from: onemorefoot on December 26, 2016, 10:58:28 PMSome people here say if I were x height I wouldnt think about LL, but the x person thinks in the same way. This is not an irrational decision, irrational would be staying suffering knowing that there is a solution. The only real problem is money not fat embolism, we are not in the 90's, when this was fatal. Of course If someone is very intelligent and get 20 cm in one go, fat embolism should be the last concern.
Very very true.. thank you
Quote from: TIBIKE200 on December 27, 2016, 10:21:22 AMIts irrational if you think that it will have any benefit besides getting women. Its also irrational if you think that you must be 180+ in order to get a woman...
Talking as a 5'7 guy.
The goal isn't getting women though.. well atleast in my case.
Quote from: TIBIKE200 on December 27, 2016, 10:47:33 AMSo try to find out why you want this.. You are Persian no? Iranians arent tall....
Why do "women" have to be the only reason this seems logical..
I've experienced puberty early among my family and i am the shortest among the entire family.
This gives me a feeling of being small, inferior and it irritates me. I feel like i'm lacking what i could have potentially been.
Women, succeeding in life, or anything in that field is not my concern.
People obviously have different reasons for doing this.
Quote from: jbc on December 28, 2016, 08:23:03 AMAre you kidding, this is what you have? Some anonymous ratings and a half-baked blog post?
I'm certain of several things. One, that over the course of his near 40 year career, Dr. Paley has made some mistakes, maybe some resulting in patient disability. When you've done that many procedures, statistics indicate that you're going to make mistakes. It's inevitable.
Second, that this would be true for any Dr. in any specialty over the same period of time with the same amount of procedures. Again, statistics and law of averages.
Third, that Dr. Paley has probably contributed more to CLL than any other Dr. on the planet. He trained a good portion of the other surgeons on this board. He's pictured with Dr. Guichet as having helped develop the Albizzia nail. He helped develop the Precise, the Precise 2, and is the lead researcher for the full weight bearing Precise.
Fourth, he's responsible for 1/6th of all the Precise CLL procedures worldwide.
Fifth, he's renowned not just for CLL, but for limb lengthening and limb reconstruction. I visited his facility. It was full of malformed kids, mostly. One family shared that they fought immigration laws in their home country for nearly a year to have a chance for their little boy to have surgery with Dr. Paley, and their little boy is now on the road to full recovery.
Sixth, that you can probably not find someone as qualified anywhere else to have this procedure. He has practically an entire hospital dedicated to doing this type of work.
No Dr. worth their salt is free from mistakes. My father was a Dr. for over 40 years, and he lost patients. He was also known as one of Europe's best Dr's. in his specialty.
CLL is an invasive, complicated procedure, and those that have done it or considering it are unquestionably taking on a significant amount of risk where a lot of things can go wrong. I'll take Dr. Paley over pretty much anyone to do this for a couple of reasons: one, reading through every diary on this board, and having met several of his patients, Dr. Paley's patients consistently have the lowest amount of complications. Second, his experience, including the mistakes he made. It's partially because of those mistakes, as sad as that is, that he is the best in his field at what he does.
Exactly dude ..
This is the whole deal of the surgery..
No one is ever perfect. Even doctors that have spent years of study, research and experience
Nothing is ever 100% and people "will" make mistakes..
That's why this surgery isn't for anyone. It's not just like, "Oh i have everything i need in life.., i'm 5'11, a few cm's to get to 6ft would be nice ..... let me do a surgery"
No.
You must know the consequences and the risks you're getting yourself into.
You must be either extremely desperate, Depressed or deformed.
An "irrational" thought, would be considering surgery as the first option.
A more rational approach, would be to try everything you can, including therapy, before you make a decision as serious as this.
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