Lengthening with Dr Bagirov in Moscow (9th December surgery date)

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Quote from: ItsMyLife on January 19, 2015, 08:20:25 AMFearful my fibula wont heal well (theres no callus); so i stopped arcoxia.. and started tramadol. Pretty much most of the day is painless.. Must be the muscle relaxants...
Tramadol does give u withdrawals once stop taking.... its addictive potential is indeed high....
I am now lengthening at 0.5/0.75 alternately instead of 0.75 for the past 1 week.
I realised i am lengthening much faster than crimsontide.. Another patient was lengthening pretty fast too at 0.75 with some breaks of 0.5... he developed ballerina..
I am starting to get some difficulties walking.
I have some loss of dorsiflexion, but not too much. probably have 10-15 degeres now of dorsiflexion.
once it reaches 0, i will start to get ballerina.
tramadol makes me so lazy......................but i try to fight it.
pain and symptoms get much better once u go down to 0.5.
anyway, I have severe pain in my right hamstring tendon (or that area) when I bend or straighten my knees (only when motion).. it feels like something is snapping.. an elastic band is sanpping.. does tibia lengthening affect the hamstring tendon??? only tramadol relieves me of the pain but if I move too vigorous I start to get nerve pains (referred, to my feet)

I am glad your doing well I recently read a post saying you want to do 7-8?  I think it's a bad idea because you said your fibula won't heal try thinking about how you need to play basketball maybe stop at 6?

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no more hamstring pains... it just resolved itself..
now I am facing and fighting knee contractures (though I can put my knees to zero degree)
in the morning.. really really stiff..
don't get 8 hours of sleep anymore. more of 4 hours, wake up, and another 4 hours.
Now at 3.2 cm. Another 4-5 cm to go...
I think I can do 7 cm without losing much athletic ability tho I suspect I cant dunk anymore. I fear that, but anyways, its okay. height is more important

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7 cm is too much, especially for someone who is 173 cm
I m 182-183 cm and I don t even consider 5 cm

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Quote from: endomorphisme on January 21, 2015, 12:59:52 PM7 cm is too much, especially for someone who is 173 cm
I m 182-183 cm and I don t even consider 5 cm

186 go with it

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Quote from: endomorphisme on January 21, 2015, 12:59:52 PM7 cm is too much, especially for someone who is 173 cm
I m 182-183 cm and I don t even consider 5 cm

well u might have short tibia, so u can lengthen less. remember, u can lengthen only 20 percent of ur tibia.

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Yeah I m going with 186 cm
hallijah are you considering bagirov ?

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Quoteno more hamstring pains... it just resolved itself..
now I am facing and fighting knee contractures (though I can put my knees to zero degree)
in the morning.. really really stiff..
don't get 8 hours of sleep anymore. more of 4 hours, wake up, and another 4 hours.
Now at 3.2 cm. Another 4-5 cm to go...
I think I can do 7 cm without losing much athletic ability though I suspect I cant dunk anymore. I fear that, but anyways, its okay. height is more important

the hamstring issue and the knee contracture are 2 heads of the same animal. (metaphor )


the problem is that you have soft tissue that runs through the entire leg. when ever a person lengthens either the tibia or femur they are actually lengthening this soft tissue throughout the whole leg, but with emphasis on the segment they are actually lengthening. this is also why it is not advised to lengthen the entire leg(femur and tibia) at 1 time. because of this soft tissue limitation.

its possible that the pain in the hamstring was the forceful stretching of your muscle or soft tissues, and now with to much stretching you have a very very very slight muscle tissue type change which is the definition to contracture. under stress the muscle tissue changes as it over extends its stretching capabilities.

this could be the reason why the pain disappeared and you have contracture. it is completely reversible as you know, however you may never be able to change the actual muscle tissue type as it has probably changed to a very very small degree, this new muscle tissue type is less elastic, which means you will get less pain but more contracture.

try not to lengthen to fast. this is not a race, 0.66 is a good safe amount. I am actually lengthening less than this as 0.71mm was to much for me.

im not sure but I think 0.66 is not the average but the limit for safe lengthening but don't quote me on this.

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if you lengthen 7cm you WILL loose function, your exact levels will be 60-70% your athletic function level returned, and you will receive 100% function for daily life activities.

god luck. I pray you will listen to what I have said.

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ForcedPuberty, thanks for sharing your wisdom with us. But, out of curiosity, may I ask what makes you more knowledgeable on the matter, and qualified to give medical advice, than Dr. Bagirov?


I have studied medicine to a decent degree in university, but not orthopedics. I am also nowhere near being a doctor, so I refrain from giving medical advice.

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its your funeral. everything I stated is common knowledge in the medical community.

doctors fk up all the time. just because someone is a doctor does not mean they memorized everything in medical school, especially in regards to limb lengthening for cosmetic cases.

lets play a game: how many hours do you think the medical curriculum studies limb lengthening for cosmetic cases in their degree and all the associated biological sciences in relation to cosmetic cases.

answer: when you learn the truth you will understand why the fk they don't know anything.

millions of people die per year because doctors fk up. and yet their word is still god. your not interested in the information, your more interested in the person who gives it to you.


even basic medline plus states exactly what I just said.

QuoteA contracture develops when the normally stretchy (elastic) tissues are replaced by nonstretchy (inelastic) fiber-like tissue. This tissue makes it hard to stretch the area and prevents normal movement.

Contractures mostly occur in the skin, the tissues underneath, and the muscles, tendons, ligaments, and joint areas. They affect range of motion and function in a certain body part.

http://www.nlm.nih.gov/medlineplus/ency/article/003185.htm

A service of the U.S. National Library of Medicine
From the National Institutes of HealthNational Institutes of Health

if you say I am wrong you are saying Medline plus is wrong. let not make this about me, lets make this about medline plus. you cant challenge the information so you challenge the person.

you do this by comparing the doctor to the person in question. how about for 1nce you pay attention to the information. and then you will see its accepted medical information that is not refuted.

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your ligaments don't just wake up 1 day and go......... you know the fk what......... im going to change my entire tissue fibre type today because you over lengthened the last few months.

no its a culminative process. your tissues don't just go. 10th fine, 11th fine, 12fine...............31st fine. ..........3 months later..... 1st fine  ...... next day......change the whole fking legs tissue asap!!!!!

but sure the doctor knows everything. according to him QuoteSCAR TISSUE DOES NOT BUILD UP if lengthen too fast.

so what he is saying is that everyone with muscle contracture all of a sudden: their leg magically sais lets change the whole leg tissue fibre type today because your now over lengthened. that's preposterous. does he even understand how ligaments break or stretch. how stupid is this statement.
does he even know what a micro tear is.