Hey people,
I am a male, in my early 20's, living in central Europe and I am considering LL for about 3 years now. I have achieved many things in my life, but I could never overcome the height issue. I am now measuring 1,62 in the morning (average height in my region: 1,79 male; 1,67 female).
I always tried to overcome this mental dilemma, and sometimes, I temporarily did, but it always haunted me back. Since I am not in puberty anymore - so it is not a phase or something like that - I don't think that I will overcome it any way soon.
There would be a lot to explain in this post, but I do not want to go in detail too much and bore you folks, so I will cut to the chase, just to give you a few hard facts on my (hopefully) future plan.
(target) Doctor: Dr. Guichet
(target) limb: femur
When?: This summer, 2016
Where?: Milano
Desired gain: 8-10 cm
Body: wide shoulders, inverted triangular body shape, approx. 65 kg, mesomorph; not an athlete
Desired recovery: 100 % 
I know that my desired gain in height is not very realistic, but I think that I have quite short femurs, so maybe it could work. Additionally, I found a few examples - like leechlet - who have passed the 8 cm line, so it might work.
The reason, why I choose this forum is, because I have the feeling that sensible and rational people are contributing here. So, I am absolutely OK, if you give me feedback on my plan. 
Thank you for your responses.
Quote from: Alittletooshort on December 17, 2015, 05:17:02 PM(...) I don't think however that you'll get back to 100% when it comes to your sportive activities.
8-10cm's is just too much to not have any effects on your biomechanics.
I am neither a professional athlete nor do I participate in a hobby sports team, so my life would not be affected if I could not become a professional soccer player f.e.
The only sport I do, is hitting the gym. A while ago, I was considering doing boxing just for fun. Maybe that could become a problem.
You said that I could not get back 100% when it comes to my sportive activities but do you think could I get back 100% of my "physiological" fitness without any competitive background?
(f.e. walking, running, sprinting, bending hip, reaching toes, flipping back my leg, bending leg etc. etc.)
Ad Dr. Guichet: I often read good things about Dr. Paley and Dr. Betz as well. Do you think is there any doctor that can compete with Guichet when it comes to recovery time and/or recovery level?
That is a very interesting aspect you are mentioning here. I am a full time student, and my time therefore is limited or has to be managed very well to get the best out of it. My semester ends at the begin of June, though I would have my annualy exam at the end of june, I would arrange it for the end of September. So basically, I would have about 17 to 18 weeks maximum for the whole procedure (operation, lenghtening, consultation, (recovery)). Do you think that is realistic? (I do understand that after this time period, my bone won't be fully healed, but do you think I could walk without crutches, and would anybody notice a difference in my physique except my gained height -> weird walking, etc.)
Another important question for me is, if I could stand long hours in the fall semester of 2016, because I have lab classes where I have to stand 3-4 hours on average. Could that be an issue?
Quote from: Penguinn on December 18, 2015, 05:40:11 AMBeing 162cms in Europe must be hard mate. Dr. Guichet is well renowned and 8cms is a realistic gain, albeit a little ambitious. Like MDOW said, you could always stop at 6 or 7 if 8 is too much to handle for your body.
You are absolutely right, brother. It is so astonishing to observe: When I travel to Istanbul for example (my grandparents live there), my confidence rises tremendously. It is unbelievable.
Quote from: Tallexpectations on December 18, 2015, 05:47:54 PMYou need more time
How much should I take in account?
I totally understand! Thank you, guys! Do you think is it possible - and I know this would probably be the best outcome by far - to walk normally after 4 months of the surgery/"regain" your gait (considering a gain of 7 - 8 cm in the femurs) ?
Quote from: goldenegg on December 25, 2015, 08:32:23 PMIt's possible if you look at shyshy's diary. his recovery is the best I've ever read about for anyone who has done LL and prob should not be the expectation
You are right, he had an amazing recovery. What really got my attention is that he prepared 7 months, and gained 40 % strenght on his legs and 30 ° on the SLR. I wish there would be something about his femur:tibia ratio.
The only thing which kind of bothers me is that you cannot find out what your healing rate might be. I am sure there is a gene that could be sequenced, that kind of determines bone healing. If you could test something like that, it would help to predict ones recovery.
Yes, 40 % increase of strenght.
yes, 130 degrees.
By the way: What do you guys think is more important - Inseam/height-ratio or femur/tibia ratio. I just measured mine, and I am kind of worried that LL won't look that good on me.
72:162 inseam/height => 44 %
39:33 femur/tibia => 54,1 % : 45,9 %
=> 8 cm increase => (8 cm might be the absolute max.)
INSEAM: 80:170 => 47 %
FEMUR/TIBIA: 47:33 => 58,75 % : 41,25% => which is also over the famous 56:44 rule
PS: If someone knows a reliable thread on how to measure your own badboys properly, I would be very thankful
Quote from: Alu on December 27, 2015, 12:57:24 AMhuh....you and I have the exact same proportions mate.
Anyways, yes I consider 8 cm to be my max for proportion sake; which is nice since I'm going to go to 5'7 with just 8. As for the method, I'm thinking 4 + 4 CM on both Tibia and femurs.
I totally would go that way. But for me the factors a) money, b) time, c) risk of tibia procedure and d) doubling general risk seem crucial.
Quote from: Alu on December 27, 2015, 01:48:18 AMAlso I just realized you made your inseam to height ratio wrong. It's supposed to be 80/170 not 80/162.
Yeah I can understand those constraints but considering that this is permanent I'd rather have the absolute best proportions between Femurs and Tibia. Also I'm sure you can only measure your tibia and femurs with X-rays
Ahhhhh... Thanks so much for discovering that error!
You are right. Maybe one should go that way. Do you have already a specific plan?
I see. You seem like you have figured out what you want.
Does Quadrilateral LL require a specific preparation process? And do you think it is do-able in the same time frame, as bilateral? (f.e. 4 cm each in one month)
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