I spent 3 years doing research and meetings doctors, learning about the different nails / devices and the strategies of the aftercare for each doctor and from my personal experience the Betz / Becker combo is the way to go.
I’m slowly starting to walk without crutches now and I didn’t think it would be possible so soon after this type of surgery!
Quote from: SpeedDialer on November 03, 2022, 04:06:35 PMWhat are Dr. Becker/Betz's thoughts on this strategy?
do 5-6 cm on tibias -> then if run into big problems with ballerina foot/range of motion, just focus on stretching/healing
then after you make a full recovery, rebreak one year later to grab 2-2.5 ish more cm?
I feel some people with not-great flexibility won't have the flexibility to get more than 5-6cm tibias in one shot, not sure though
On the other hand, Betz has said in the cyborg4life interview that in his experience he is able to achieve greater lengths than what people achieve with precise
I looked at the youtube cyborg4life interview with Betz and saw in the comments a BF complain that his GF went with Betz, did 8 cm in one go, and got non-union. And then I think medium drink of water the mod on this forum did 7.5cm ish on tibia in one shot (but it was externals so its different maybe) and wish he did less because of some issues it caused him later. I don't know what to make of comments like this, I don't know how to evaluate their accuracy, but they increase my fear/anxiety significantly because it feels like these problems might be hard to detect until its too late
If things go wrong with the betzbone from too much lengthening, is it possible / too expensive to have the rod removed, then shorten the tibias with a new inserted precise 2.2?
Or if I go with precise tibias to begin with and I run into problems from doing too much lengthening, can I rebreak my tibias later down the line and then shorten them with the same precise nail?
LL with Dr. Becker (successor of Betz) - Instagram Documentary
Quote from: maxheight35 on October 28, 2022, 03:07:05 PM
Sorry bro! Yeah Dr. Becker is a great guy and has been very supportive!
And yes I had the surgery in Frieburg at Praxisklinik 2000… I was so happy to leave that place! The nurses were OK but yeah the food absolutely sucked!!! I ordered takeout for every meal other than breakfast and I would have ordered breakfast if there was an option lol.
I heard about many stories with the duck ass with femurs. Actually think it comes down to the dedication you give on stretching everyday! I met this guy Nico here who did surgery as well about 4 months ago and he’s walking fine with no duck ass but man he puts in the work! Even when we are talking and eating he’s always stretching.
So far so good on the tibias. 10cm is definitely a game changer and I’ll be going for the max height possible with femurs. Hopefully another 12 there and then it’s game on baby!!!
Staying positive, active, and keeping my mind as busy as possible is key with this whole operation and situation. This hotel is amazing as well I can’t say it enough… I’m very happy and grateful for the level of service I’m being given from Dr. Becker and his team down to the hotel staff and physical therapy clinic staff as well!
Have you thought about doing tibias?
Yeah, I really like Dr. Becker, great dude!
Not a fan of that hospital, but as you said the nurses where nice. Got to practice my German a bit, but the FOOD SUCKED! I don't understand how they can serve you such food when your body is in dire need of good nutrition after a surgery like that. Makes no sense to me! And also there is no ventilation in that hospital so I god bad head aches after a few hours with the window closed. After a week in Praxisklinikk 2000 I was very lucky to stay in the luxury flat underneath Dr. Beckers Clinic. It was a large (160 square meter) flat that I still have very fond memories of nine months later. Also ordered two - three meals a day from Liverando when I got to the flat.
For some duck ass seems to be inevitable, especially when going 7-8cm +. I didn't have any sign of it until 7cm +. I stretched as much as 2 hours a day not counting going to my physiotherapist three times a week for even more stretching. In my case I have done a much stretching and workout as my body has allowed, because it also needs rest. If I only did 7-cm I would be good a long time ago, but I did go 11,5cm and I am still not good. But things are improving and I am not far away from getting rid of my duck ass and walking normal.
How much will you do in total then, tibias + femurs?
I am 177cm tall now and have no plans on tibias or getting any taller. I am more than good at this height, and I still haven't been out at bars or clubs yet and tested my new height. With some nice shoes I am easily 180cm and that is just awesome, I don't need any more because I don't feel small anymore. Heck, I am basically average - so I am in fact not small anymore.
I can't wait to test my new height out at bars and clubs though. I have always had good confidence and a good ability to speak for myself. I've been a manager since I was 19, so while I was young and small I had to develop the ability for people to listen to me and take me seriously. I am not the best looking, but I have been described as a chad lite by many attractive girls throughout the years. I have also had quite a few attractive girlfriends who all where a little taller than me, so even when I was small I was quite confident. But even with at successful career, confidence, charm, good style and good looks being 165cm cm in a Nordic country put a limit on my success that I was never comfortable with. Especially knowing the fact that If I was the same me, only taller I most likely would have had much more success with women with less work. And now that I am a taller version of my self, I think I am good. No need for anymore height.
Quote from: maxheight35 on November 03, 2022, 08:27:30 PMI spent 3 years doing research and meetings doctors, learning about the different nails / devices and the strategies of the aftercare for each doctor and from my personal experience the Betz / Becker combo is the way to go.
I’m slowly starting to walk without crutches now and I didn’t think it would be possible so soon after this type of surgery!
I think your diary is maybe the most important diary on the forum right now
Because we have alot of datapoints on this forum gnail femurs (weight bearing) with Giotikas that have been relatively successful. We have alot of datapoints about precise 2.2 (non-weight bearing) being successful but being potentially very long and unpleasant in terms of wheelchair time. Giotikas doesn't do weight bearing internal tibias at the moment-- unless someone counts situations where someone is low-ish weight and happens to fall below precise tibia's weight limit
We don't have as many datapoints on this forum about Betzbone 2.0 internal tibias, which seem to be the cheapest good weight bearing purely internal tibia method that doesn't have the corrosion problems of the older fitbone. I think Guichet and Betz are the only weight bearing internal tibias options now, but Guichet is more expensive than Betz I think and its not really clear if Guichet is better than Betz
I guess things may change when the next generation of precise comes out, but that may be a while and I don't know how they will solve certain problems like the osteolysis (don't know the cause of it) for the next generation of precise if they want to attempt another weight bearing nail
A big draw of betz aside from his higher length limits is that he seems to let patients go to work much sooner compared to other doctors (which I think was a big reason Apotheosis went with Betz) and the weight bearing tibia nail helps.
I vaguely remember there may have been some kind of controversy with Apotheosis and Betz years ago (or maybe it was with Sarin, not sure), but I feel like we can put that behind us now, its been 10 years, all LL doctors improve over time I'm sure
My goal is 10cm on tibias and the full 12cm on femurs.
Total 22cm = about 9 inches
From 5,3” to 6,0” would be life changing!
Quote from: Stand taller on November 03, 2022, 09:25:19 PMYeah, I really like Dr. Becker, great dude!
Not a fan of that hospital, but as you said the nurses where nice. Got to practice my German a bit, but the FOOD SUCKED! I don't understand how they can serve you such food when your body is in dire need of good nutrition after a surgery like that. Makes no sense to me! And also there is no ventilation in that hospital so I god bad head aches after a few hours with the window closed. After a week in Praxisklinikk 2000 I was very lucky to stay in the luxury flat underneath Dr. Beckers Clinic. It was a large (160 square meter) flat that I still have very fond memories of nine months later. Also ordered two - three meals a day from Liverando when I got to the flat.
For some duck ass seems to be inevitable, especially when going 7-8cm +. I didn't have any sign of it until 7cm +. I stretched as much as 2 hours a day not counting going to my physiotherapist three times a week for even more stretching. In my case I have done a much stretching and workout as my body has allowed, because it also needs rest. If I only did 7-cm I would be good a long time ago, but I did go 11,5cm and I am still not good. But things are improving and I am not far away from getting rid of my duck ass and walking normal.
How much will you do in total then, tibias + femurs?
I am 177cm tall now and have no plans on tibias or getting any taller. I am more than good at this height, and I still haven't been out at bars or clubs yet and tested my new height. With some nice shoes I am easily 180cm and that is just awesome, I don't need any more because I don't feel small anymore. Heck, I am basically average - so I am in fact not small anymore.
I can't wait to test my new height out at bars and clubs though. I have always had good confidence and a good ability to speak for myself. I've been a manager since I was 19, so while I was young and small I had to develop the ability for people to listen to me and take me seriously. I am not the best looking, but I have been described as a chad lite by many attractive girls throughout the years. I have also had quite a few attractive girlfriends who all where a little taller than me, so even when I was small I was quite confident. But even with at successful career, confidence, charm, good style and good looks being 165cm cm in a Nordic country put a limit on my success that I was never comfortable with. Especially knowing the fact that If I was the same me, only taller I most likely would have had much more success with women with less work. And now that I am a taller version of my self, I think I am good. No need for anymore height.
Thanks man.
The Betz nail and Dr Becker combination is amazing, from my personal experience. I’m genuinely enjoying the lengthening process here at the hotel Dorint & therapy clinic.
I’ve hit the sauna quite a few times now, made some new LL friends as well as friends who work at the hotel. Also explored the city of Freiburg the other day with another patient. Very fun times!!!
Quote from: SpeedDialer on November 05, 2022, 08:52:52 PMI think your diary is maybe the most important diary on the forum right now
Because we have alot of datapoints on this forum gnail femurs (weight bearing) with Giotikas that have been relatively successful. We have alot of datapoints about precise 2.2 (non-weight bearing) being successful but being potentially very long and unpleasant in terms of wheelchair time. Giotikas doesn't do weight bearing internal tibias at the moment-- unless someone counts situations where someone is low-ish weight and happens to fall below precise tibia's weight limit
We don't have as many datapoints on this forum about Betzbone 2.0 internal tibias, which seem to be the cheapest good weight bearing purely internal tibia method that doesn't have the corrosion problems of the older fitbone. I think Guichet and Betz are the only weight bearing internal tibias options now, but Guichet is more expensive than Betz I think and its not really clear if Guichet is better than Betz
I guess things may change when the next generation of precise comes out, but that may be a while and I don't know how they will solve certain problems like the osteolysis (don't know the cause of it) for the next generation of precise if they want to attempt another weight bearing nail
A big draw of betz aside from his higher length limits is that he seems to let patients go to work much sooner compared to other doctors (which I think was a big reason Apotheosis went with Betz) and the weight bearing tibia nail helps.
I vaguely remember there may have been some kind of controversy with Apotheosis and Betz years ago (or maybe it was with Sarin, not sure), but I feel like we can put that behind us now, its been 10 years, all LL doctors improve over time I'm sure
Looks like you're making the most of things from what I see on IG. Thats awesome. LL is time in your life, you should enjoy it as much as you can like you are. How long do you think youll stay there through lengthening? Or not sure yet.
Quote from: maxheight35 on November 06, 2022, 09:14:12 PMMy goal is 10cm on tibias and the full 12cm on femurs.
Total 22cm = about 9 inches
From 5,3” to 6,0” would be life changing!
Rooting for you brother!
Quote from: maxheight35 on November 06, 2022, 09:17:29 PMThanks man.
I’ve hit the sauna quite a few times now, made some new LL friends as well as friends who work at the hotel. Also explored the city of Freiburg the other day with another patient. Very fun times!!!
That's awesome, how did the sauna feel? I'm doing gnail femurs now. After I go back to the United States, I am thinking of going to the sauna and also walking in a pool (has some metal rails for handicaped people but water is not too deep)
Quote from: maxheight35 on November 06, 2022, 09:14:12 PMMy goal is 10cm on tibias and the full 12cm on femurs.
Total 22cm = about 9 inches
From 5,3” to 6,0” would be life changing!
What is your sitting height and wingspan? I thought 16cm total was crazy but this is next level, did your doctor say this was safe?
Has Dr. Becker/Betz ever done a rebreak for someone for Betzbone tibias 2.0? Ex: if they are running into too much ballerina foot/afraid of non-union and want to buy some time by stopping, healing to normal function, then rebreak later
I know Paley allows 4cm on tibias then rebreak to do another 4cm on tibias so I wonder if 4+4 could be a good option for Betzbone 2.0 tibias also
Since its weight bearing I have to think that a rebreak would not be that disruptive to someone's life?
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