Quote from: aspirant185 on February 17, 2016, 08:42:01 PMIt makes no sense to boost about positives and hide negatives from people..when the sole purpose of the online community is to seek help from people to...surpass the negatives. I think you are an exception.
I am challanging anybody to give link to a diary from Mitkovic or Guichet (excluding the exception that did 10cm) who reported problems aftewards.
So your signature is out of date then? You've moved from Betz, who you thought was one of the good doctors, to some others. Here's the tip - it's not a few rotten apples, but the whole barrel.
It makes sense to share some negatives/questions/fears etc... But that's easier in the recovery process while there's still hope. but to tell the whole story at the end (if it's bad) and basically admit you made a giant mistake takes huge balls and mental strength. What's more likely is a slow, invisible disappearance ...
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No, I am still going to Betz. Regardless of the negative diaries. There are also plenty of positive ones. People that are around 165 go to Betz and lengthen 9+ , that is asking for trouble, regarding where you go .
With that being said, I might still go to Mitkovic , have not completely made my mind yet. if I manage to get 6 month time out from work I would most likely to go Mitkovic because I see much more value in his offer. I am yet to find a negative diariy from Mitkovic..and there are plenty of diaries overall.
Quote from: aspirant185 on February 17, 2016, 08:46:12 PMSeriously, you compare Facebook and Instagra, the very definition of place where people show off , with that forum, where people want to be as anonymous and as under the radar as possible 
That is your comparison ?
Seriously yes. Consider someone paying for LL making all the sacrifices that go along with it and then sharing with everyone how badly it went. If you think that would be standard for someone you don't understand human psychology.
tbike,
what is my assumption??? please point out my baseless assumption.. I didn't even assert anything..
Please point it out directly from my post.
thatdude, I tend to agree with you.. Certainly though, we can't conclude that people disappear because everything is great... we just don't know...
all we have are diaries... and a large number don't turn out great...
There are 2 kind of people on this forum
1) The optimistic people (like moi) who believe that by going to the top doctor you can minimize the risks and not get out of it half crippled. We do it because we want to do LL and dont want to keep fighting against our own minds when it comes to the height neurosis
2) The passimistic folks who are in a war between themselves and their mind. Their mind want to do this surgery but they do not want to go through it, seeing only the negative and trying their best to persuade themselves (Or to be more specific, their mind) that it's not worth the risk
No group is better than the other but I dont believe it's fair to try to persuade other people away from this surgery (and the good docs) for your own will in the end to persuade yourselves
Quote from: crimsontide on February 17, 2016, 08:51:09 PMtbike,
what is my assumption??? please point out my baseless assumption.. I didn't even assert anything..
Please point it out directly from my post.
thatdude, I tend to agree with you.. Certainly though, we can't conclude that people disappear because everything is great... we just don't know...
all we have are diaries... and a large number don't turn out great...
Your assumption is that the vast majority of people who undergo LL end up bad. We dont know that
thatdude makes a good point about being hopeful during the recovery process... I can confirm this
Patients might have complications, but since recovery is not complete, and they seem to be getting better, they assume that the final outcome will be positive, and post how great things are going
it's only after 2 or 3 years, when you still have lingering issues, and you finally realize things aren't going to end up as imagined... then awareness sets in and you finally start to accept the ty reality of the whole ordeal
tbike... I said diaries.,... since that's all we have to go on
and that's true... most diaries don't end up that positive.... even the so called great outcomes are full of guys at 70 or 80%...
guys that can't run, etc
all we have are diaries, like it or not
Let's see these videos of patients running effortlessly, etc after lengthening 7 cm
I see swden, who admits he's nowhere near what he was
we see rgkey... who can't do 1 full squat with 90 lbs on his back, yet he says he's doing great
that's the thing... we have evidence of patients that say they're great yet are not really functional
that should be a red flag
look at rgkey's squat video, and tell me if that's acceptable to you as a young man..
if it is, then maybe this surgery is right for you.... it's not acceptable to me, and I think to the vast majority of readers
Quote from: crimsontide on February 17, 2016, 09:01:56 PMtbike... I said diaries.,... since that's all we have to go on
and that's true... most diaries don't end up that positive.... even the so called great outcomes are full of guys at 70 or 80%...
guys that can't run, etc
all we have are diaries, like it or not
Let's see these videos of patients running effortlessly, etc after lengthening 7 cm
I see swden, who admits he's nowhere near what he was
we see rgkey... who can't do 1 full squat with 90 lbs on his back, yet he says he's doing great
that's the thing... we have evidence that patients that say they're great are not really functional
that should be a red flag
look at rgkey's squat video, and tell me if that's acceptable to you as a young man..
if it is, then maybe this surgery is right for you.... it's not acceptable to me, and I think to the vast majority of readers
I just saw the squat video and I am indeed in a complete shock... SMITH MACHINE!!!! LIKE REALLY?!?!?! WHAT ARE YOU A 10 YEARS OLD GIRL OR SOMETHING?!
And on the serious note, his photo post removal was great... He didnt listen to the doc and he lengthened 9 cm.. Another thing on the squat vid, his legs are super thin.. He might also be a half squatter like 90% of gym goers
tbike.
I don't mean to pick on rgkey either... but people were saying how great he looks, etc
The guy does not do 1 squat with like 90 lbs... not even close.... and he looks like he's in pain doing it
there are half squatters, but that's a very light weight... and he looks like he's in serious pain... not normal for such a young man
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