Moderating Rude Members

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1) Freedom Of Speech Above All -  mods should rarely delete posts and minimize banning even if it means more potential arguments and rules violations

2) Stricter Application of Rules  -  mods should delete posts, lock thread or ban members when the guidelines are violated. 

3) Balance Between The Two -  mods should intervene only when necessary, give benefit of the doubt within reason but enforce strictly when it's required.
 
There's been feedback about rude members who insult others and generate a negative atmosphere on the forum.  We want members feedback on how it should be resolved.

Quote from: KiloKAHN on February 12, 2015, 09:21:54 PM When this site was started, the intent was to let posters have more freedom in posting. There were times when we thought about getting more strict with moderation, but when it was suggested, most of the users who responded seemed to have a negative opinion about stricter posting guidelines. It now looks like the popular opinion of the board is swaying the other way and more strict posting guidelines and moderating is what's wanted.
 
A topic will be posted where everyone can give their feedback so we can reach a decision on this matter. Obviously we're not going to be able to please everyone but we're not ignoring the concerns of the members here.

Should there be stricter moderating and posting guidelines?   Do you guys think mods should become more active in deleting things like rudeness & warning rude members or take a relaxed approach?

Reference:  Forum Rules of Violation http://www.limblengtheningforum.com/index.php?topic=1007.0

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I believe there should be a 3 Strike Policy to keep rude members in check.   Members who receive 3 Warnings from the moderators for violating forum guidelines should be partially banned for two weeks automatically. 

After the partial ban, mods should then allow the member to return for one final chance or decide to make it a permanent ban  , depending on the severity of the violations. 

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i think that members in the fórum doesnt want this to be like the old fórum, where there is a dictatorship.
my opinión is that there must be some rules, like no abuse between members, no spam ,but not much more. And being carefull with bans to members, not to ban members easy and without reason and in that case some temporary bans before a permanent one.

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Spam and abuse are a given but I also think we should try to be more about limb lenghtening and less about discussing other things. Propose these rules:

-No threads about political, ethical, religious issues that doesn't relate to LL.

-No passive agressive topics about women, "being alpha" or such. Threads about dealing with heightism and tips for short guys are great but bitter threads doesn't add anything valuable -it only weighs us all down.

-No irrelevant personal threads like girls issues, something strange on the facebook wall or similar, unless they add something to us LL patients like for example someone with LL-like proportions or a new stretching routine.

-Finally I think we should pressure people making claims to have a reason behind that claim. For example is someone states that a Doctor is "X" he should also state the reason "Y", not everything can be backed up by a linked source of course but everyone should at least tell us why he/she says what he/she says. People posting scary stories while refusing to tell us who, why or what when we ask is just detrimental, a given reason for all statements should be required. If someone posts that 20% is a safe limit for lenghtening then there needs to be a reference to where the poster heard it at the very least -and preferably a verifyable source. I know I'm not alone in being frustrated on the amount of unsupported stuff being presented as "facts" on here, it's important that we strive for a higher standard, there are peoples health on the line here.

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No spam and no religious, political, racial or gender abuse, but freedom of speech above all. People have the right to discuss topics not directly related to LL in the Off-topic section (hence its name), and people can make whatever claims they want if they don't abuse other people. A forum is not a scientific journal, but a place to discuss with people with the same interests than yours. I don't think you need to back your opinions with reasons and arguments. If you do it, it's OK, but it shouldn't be necessary. We're no doctors. We're friends discussing a topic.

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Quote from: tallerbetter on February 13, 2015, 05:43:57 PMNo spam and no religious, political, racial or gender abuse, but freedom of speech above all. People have the right to discuss topics not directly related to LL in the Off-topic section (hence its name), and people can make whatever claims they want if they don't abuse other people. A forum is not a scientific journal, but a place to discuss with people with the same interests than yours. I don't think you need to back your opinions with reasons and arguments. If you do it, it's OK, but it shouldn't be necessary. We're no doctors. We're friends discussing a topic.

I would rather have the forum be less social if it meant we could have more accurate information. We are here to learn about limb lenghtening so that we can be safe, not to hang out with friends. Our members health is the main priority, it's not okay when people say things like doing 9-10CM on one segment is safe -that's how people get their legs ruined.

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1. Let your job be easier, only intervene when there's a complaint.

2. The three strike should only apply to very rude people, it is easy to forget through a period of years about the minor rules so if the person is being harmless to the community you can delete their post with a notice without putting a mark in their file, of course if the person is noticed about the same issue and they don't listen then start staining them here.

3. There should be like a death sentence (cases where the crime is so bad that they only get one last chance if any at all)

4. We would like also to have better message etiquette, answer your users' PMs don't ignore us ( I am not talking about a specific person).

5. If a new thread is bad or simply an alpha male just close it but no penalty to the user.

6. Add all the new rules people suggested to the page itself and make them well crafted so that nobody can game the system and whatever rules they are,there can't be anyone above the law.

7. Romantic approaches are a big no.

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Freedom of speech - I'm sure we are all mature enough and that everyone here will treat others much like how they will treat themselves, rules should apply against threats, scams, and false information.

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Quote1. Let your job be easier, only intervene when there's a complaint.

I agree, I also think it would be a good idea to let the person who has been deemed inappropriate(on a thread) have a chance to apologies in private message to the person they have offended. sometimes people state things in the moment and are sorry for those words when they re read them later.

the offended person should have an opportunity to hear them(alleged perpetrator) out and decide if they want to accept the apology and/dismiss the charge after it has been brought to the admins attention. this would also serve to increase communication between conflicting parties which may help to eliminate future issues due to this better communication.

 if the admin has been notified( after an alleged insult), , and the person given a chance to apologize, and then if the person(who was insulted)  is still mad and does not forgive them, then the administrators can then decide if the insult warrants a warning and who was in the wrong taking into account the initial instigator and insulter.

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It is always a balance. I think I am more in favour however of  a stricter regime. Some members are very rude and insulting and this drives patients away. Patients (like me) feel less inclined to update our diaries and be subject to rude comments or negative comments. That is why many people do retroactive diaries. They do not want to be affected psychologically by such rude people.

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maybe we can just make an exception for patient's diary and doctors thread ..

rather than that I don't see any problem if the members express their opinions even the rude one.