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Posted on Jan 3, 2022, 12:32 pm
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I plan to use precice 2.2 for 7~8cm femur lengthening with Dr. Giotikas ,now I am investigating the information of this doctor.
I searched with keywords, also read a lot of diaries, but I found it is a little difficult to find negative information about a doctor (too much diaries and posts)
Tell me the negative information about Dr. Giotikas, please.
I have seen many positive discussions and diaries about him, is it possible for advertising purposes?
By the way, I like this doctor very much, I am doing this because I want to know more comprehensive information.
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Posted on Jan 3, 2022, 1:07 pm
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Quote from: sprit33 on January 03, 2022, 12:32:29 PM
I plan to use precice 2.2 for 7~8cm femur lengthening with Dr. Giotikas ,now I am investigating the information of this doctor.
I searched with keywords, also read a lot of diaries, but I found it is a little difficult to find negative information about a doctor (too much diaries and posts)
Tell me the negative information about Dr. Giotikas, please.
I have seen many positive discussions and diaries about him, is it possible for advertising purposes?
By the way, I like this doctor very much, I am doing this because I want to know more comprehensive information.
A patient of him died couple months ago so idk what diares did you read to be honest .
He is not the worst but I would not pick him ;scroll through leg lenghetning expierences and read more and carefully his diares because idk what is acceptable and what not to you so it's pointless to give personal impressions when standards are different .
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Posted on Jan 3, 2022, 3:40 pm
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here you can read about the patient who died: http://www.limblengtheningforum.com/index.php?topic=68419.0
but this does not say anything concrete about WHY he got the embolism. was it his fault or medical team fault or was he just very unlucky? no one really knows. but take note, the doctor said in an interview with cyborg that his medical team did not have any inadequacies at all according to an independent investigator. of course maybe they are saying this to avoid a lawsuit, we dont know, but the doctor appears to be trustworthy and ethical.

many current patients and recently finished patients have a diary, check them out. v21, morningstar, lucky star, nyc brother, those are the ones i remember right now but there may be more.
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Posted on Jan 3, 2022, 5:24 pm
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Quote from: canterk on January 03, 2022, 03:40:49 PM
here you can read about the patient who died: http://www.limblengtheningforum.com/index.php?topic=68419.0
but this does not say anything concrete about WHY he got the embolism. was it his fault or medical team fault or was he just very unlucky? no one really knows. but take note, the doctor said in an interview with cyborg that his medical team did not have any inadequacies at all according to an independent investigator. of course maybe they are saying this to avoid a lawsuit, we dont know, but the doctor appears to be trustworthy and ethical.

many current patients and recently finished patients have a diary, check them out. v21, morningstar, lucky star, nyc brother, those are the ones i remember right now but there may be more.
I read them all !
There is no need to link me stuff (not saying it in a bad way) but I read them all , commented and made my own idea .
You want to see just the bright part of it tho and not the fact that every us doctor give xarelto for all the distraction phase while giotikas just for 3 weeks .
He just started doing good amounts of CLL and he already had a death !
It's up to you ,I'm honestly not gonna try to convince u to pick anyone else as I believe that anyone who undergoes this surgery its grown enough to decide for themself .


Just a reminder : Diares will never ever say "he was an as**ole because of this and that" most of them are current patients or in consolidation phase so it's not in their interest to attack their doctor .
They said that PT most time was not experienced ,that nurses where sometimes not professional, that the hospital was not great and that nothing was given if not asked.
The head nurses was on top of the guy who died .
Giotikas HAS NO CLUE about the clicking mechanism but still he offers it and ppl struggled a lot (V21) .
He took 7 hour to out the big nail in (V21) ,n as a consequences he threw up and felt bad for couple days after because of such a prolonged anesthesia.
He performs several surgeries a day (it's a hard and demanding job...2 or 3 surgeries a day can really make u perform at ur best for all of them?!)

Those are not my words but patient words but you read them and you are fine with them so to answear to your topic , other then this , giotikas did not insert a nail upside down or something .
I believe he is a fine orthopedic surgeon but not a good limb lenghetning surgeon ..u can be fine with him sure especially for the price u pay ,its up to you .


Ps: It might look like I am attacking you but I'm really not , I just don't like this surgeon at all for the reasons above .
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Posted on Jan 3, 2022, 5:29 pm
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Hey mate every surgeon has bad news or rumors so negative information cannot undermine random surgeons' values even though he/she was took to court like Betz. They are still good surgeons worthwhile of being taken into considerations and you gotta also judge if some patients are just tarnishing random surgeons just bc they are grudging LLers or promoting other surgeons that they are serving for.
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Posted on Jan 3, 2022, 6:07 pm
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It really depends on what kind of information you are looking for. Looking for negative information just for the sake doesn't make sense, imo. As mentioned above, one patient died under his care - not sure if it is his fault though. Could have been avoided if he had prescribed Xarelto for entire lengthening period. Having said that, myself and dozens of his other patients took Xarelto only for two weeks post-surgery and everyone was fine.

I did my Tibias with him and ended up having a misalignment during nail insertion - I had to get an additional surgery to get it fixed. I still have slight misalignment on my left leg - he says it's bad luck but it's also surgical skill and technique. My experience with him wasn't entirely positive in that sense, but overall I'd say he's probably better than most of Indian/Turkish doctors. Personally, I like Betz and prefer him to Giotikas. I think Betz is lot more experienced and foresees potential issues before they happen.

I'd also add I hated that stupid hospital in Greece - worst pain management/ patient care I've experienced.
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Posted on Jan 3, 2022, 6:14 pm
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Quote from: eric.cartman on January 03, 2022, 06:07:07 PM
It really depends on what kind of information you are looking for. Looking for negative information just for the sake doesn't make sense, imo. As mentioned above, one patient died under his care - not sure if it is his fault though. Could have been avoided if he had prescribed Xarelto for entire lengthening period. Having said that, myself and dozens of his other patients took Xarelto only for two weeks post-surgery and everyone was fine.

I did my Tibias with him and ended up having a misalignment during nail insertion - I had to get an additional surgery to get it fixed. I still have slight misalignment on my left leg - he says it's bad luck but it's also surgical skill and technique. My experience with him wasn't entirely positive in that sense, but overall I'd say he's probably better than most of Indian/Turkish doctors. Personally, I like Betz and prefer him to Giotikas. I think Betz is lot more experienced and foresees potential issues before they happen.

I'd also add I hated that stupid hospital in Greece - worst pain management/ patient care I've experienced.
Definitely misalignments are about the doctor surgical skill !
As you said , I believe too he is far better then ones in Inidia and in turkey and his prices appeal everyone ..but I ,personally, would rather save more or struggle more to pay a loan then go to him .
It's a mix of factors that can make the decision with him worthy or not and u get what u  pay (precice 40k it's probably the cheapest out there) .
I read on his website also the he published some articles and (correct me if I'm wrong) they were not about LL but about knees or other problems .
I want a doctor who did just LL for the past 10 years to touch my legs , not a general war orthopedic !
Betz is very experienced but I believe he does not care a bit about you as individual !
I think he has great surgical skills ( he invented fitobone with Baumgart)but the fact he does not care that makes his patient at times have poor outcomes ; crazy lengthening amounts ,no ITB release , fast lenghetning etc.
With betz u have to make ur research first , get the surgery and forget about him lol
Lenghetn conservative,  1mm a day max , stay on top of PT and meds and you will eventually be fine ..but if u follow his beliefs...u screwed
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Posted on Jan 4, 2022, 7:45 am
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hi sorry can u explain more about your slight misalignment? how is it? and can u fix it or it's permanent and last quastion when u did that?
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Posted on Jan 4, 2022, 9:10 am
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I think patients are going to him only because he is inexpensive (because greece is quite cheap) and he is offering guichet nail (weight bearing).

I do not know why and how he became famous all of a sudden on the forum. maybe it's the price and offering of guichet nail. does he have a fellowship in LL and deformity correction?

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Posted on Jan 4, 2022, 9:47 am
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Also need to know the initial symptoms and potential risk days of serious complications (PE, FE), and many, many other things.
Read articles and then take notes, become at least half of expert in this field before undergoing surgery,do this for every doctor, even Paley.
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