Quote from: Masteryourlife on January 03, 2022, 05:24:55 PMI read them all !
There is no need to link me stuff (not saying it in a bad way) but I read them all , commented and made my own idea .
hi masteryourlife, my reply was for sprit33 not for you. he asked for negative information about the doctor so i linked him the thread. apologies for the misunderstanding.
Quote from: canterk on January 04, 2022, 06:57:29 PMhi masteryourlife, my reply was for sprit33 not for you. he asked for negative information about the doctor so i linked him the thread. apologies for the misunderstanding.
No it was my bad , I did not read the nickname and thought it was the guy of the topic .
All good no worries 
Quote from: ll-patient on January 04, 2022, 09:10:56 AM ...does he have a fellowship in LL and deformity correction?...
Hi, if you check him you will see that he specialized in LL and deformity correction at Addenbrookes hospital in Cambridge, UK, since 2012. After cambridge he went to John radcllife Trust in Oxford. These hospitals are not just random hospitals, they are world renowned institutions and flagship trusts of the British NHS! They are very meticulous with vetting and they are not employing random doctors. Before that, he participated in international deployments with NATO in Afghanistan as a military surgeon.
For these reasons (and because most people who met him seem to agree the he is what we would call a "strong personality"), I believe Giotikas is not just anybody and he is probably one of the most appropriately trained and experienced surgeons in the wolrd to be doing limb lengthening.
He started his private practice in Athens in 2017 (whilst he was still in Oxford!) and he only introduced guichet nail last summer, so I don't think that he is that "green" now in the CLL community, or that people are just going to him merely because of the g- nail.
Quote from: Arcon on January 04, 2022, 10:32:25 PMHi, if you check him you will see that he specialized in LL and deformity correction at Addenbrookes hospital in Cambridge, UK, since 2012. After cambridge he went to John radcllife Trust in Oxford. These hospitals are not just random hospitals, they are world renowned institutions and flagship trusts of the British NHS! They are very meticulous with vetting and they are not employing random doctors. Before that, he participated in international deployments with NATO in Afghanistan as a military surgeon.
For these reasons (and because most people who met him seem to agree the he is what we would call a "strong personality"), I believe Giotikas is not just anybody and he is probably one of the most appropriately trained and experienced surgeons in the wolrd to be doing limb lengthening.
He started his private practice in Athens in 2017 (whilst he was still in Oxford!) and he only introduced guichet nail last summer, so I don't think that he is that "green" now in the CLL community, or that people are just going to him merely because of the g- nail.
Yeah, he honestly seems to be a great surgeon. I still have some doubts, and I probably wouldn't do four-segment lengthening with him, but he does look amazing as a budget option for internals.
Quote from: eric.cartman on January 03, 2022, 06:07:07 PMIt really depends on what kind of information you are looking for. Looking for negative information just for the sake doesn't make sense, imo. As mentioned above, one patient died under his care - not sure if it is his fault though. Could have been avoided if he had prescribed Xarelto for entire lengthening period. Having said that, myself and dozens of his other patients took Xarelto only for two weeks post-surgery and everyone was fine.
I did my Tibias with him and ended up having a misalignment during nail insertion - I had to get an additional surgery to get it fixed. I still have slight misalignment on my left leg - he says it's bad luck but it's also surgical skill and technique. My experience with him wasn't entirely positive in that sense, but overall I'd say he's probably better than most of Indian/Turkish doctors. Personally, I like Betz and prefer him to Giotikas. I think Betz is lot more experienced and foresees potential issues before they happen.
I'd also add I hated that stupid hospital in Greece - worst pain management/ patient care I've experienced.
Thinking positive does not change a outcome bro. It is better to see pros and cons and facts as they are. Don't become blind to something just because a doctor is good price.
This is for everyone please read and reflect.
I have to agree with masteryourlife on this.
Do not let your pursuit of cheap surgery blind you to a surgeons results
That gnail patient who died I believe would not have died if he went paley. Why i say this? Look at the number of surgeries paley does and has 0 death. He has had embolism but was able to sort it and prevent death. THAT is the competence he has that giotika does not. Paley has way better quality control.
Paleys track record and huge number of surgeries prove it.
Sure you could get lucky and come out fine with cheaper surgeons like giotika etc. But it's at a risk. A higher risk than what people think.
Let me use some analogy. You can make a house out of wooden frame and it'll suffice for most people. Most people will be happy. But what about some areas where termites eat the wood. Then house will get weaker.
So although many would praise that wood is fine but are biased and do not see that wood has its drawbacks. Metal frames are way better. No termite issue. Strength to last years and years. Some will call it overkill and expensive. But fact is metal frame will have way higher success rate than wood.
Another analogy is toyota/Lexus car company. They spend so much on quality control of their engines. Their engines last so long. Each part of engine is checked and verified. So very high quality protocol. So that's why say Toyota camry has such low problems in the car. Some other companies don't have such high quality standard. Ud seee the happy customers from other companies say car is fine. But there are vast others who say their cars are crap. With Toyota very very high percentage won't have problems with their toyota camry.
Best analogy is pilots. Cheap airline pilots are not trained to handle all situations. They just know how to take off and land and several other things. The happy scenario. So most people fly with them and come out alive and they praise them. But what about in bad weather conditions? Can their pilots fly with one engine off? Can they land properly with no front wheels? Nope. This is where highly trained pilots like for examples ones from Qantas and emirates shine. Their pilots can handle various severe conditions like engines not working, tyres not popping out, etc and still able to land the plane safely. Google it, these incidents have happened and their pilots landed the plane safely. Their pilots are expensive.
So the take away from this is, you are playing with chance with every decision you make. Doing this surgeey has risk yes. Going with less track record docs like giotika will increase your risks. Do u want to take that extra risk to save money? If yes then go ahead. And I genuinely hope you come out alive.
Me personally I'd rather save more money and go with top USA docs and get the proper quality protocol and after care. And knowing he has the best competence to prevent death if embolism is to occur. Atleast I'd be alive to pay off the bigger loan.
When s**t doesn't hit the fan, every doctor will look same and most will decide on just price.
When s**t hits the fan, that's when high competence will show its benefits. Eg paley, metal house frames, Toyota, highly trained pilots.
Giotikas patient who died showed giotikas incompetence when s**t hit the fan.
Now the choice is yours. Choose wisely and then bear its consequence. Either Good or bad.
i think with the dead patient we have to know for sure whose fault it was. we don't know if the patient followed all protocol. we don't know if giotikas is telling the truth that medical staff followed all standards in care. we just don't have any way to know now because the patient came alone and now he is gone and cannot answer our questions.
Quote from: Antonio111111 on January 06, 2022, 02:54:10 AM...Do not let your pursuit of cheap surgery blind you to a surgeons results...That gnail patient who died I believe would not have died if he went paley. He has had embolism but was able to sort it and prevent death. THAT is the competence he has that giotika does not. Paley has way better quality control...When s**t hits the fan, that's when high competence will show its benefits. Eg paley, metal house frames, Toyota, highly trained pilots...Giotikas patient who died showed giotikas incompetence when s**t hit the fan...
Excuse me but I disagree… Sh*t did hit the fan on that day in Athens and Giotikas’s team responded quickly according to their protocol and managed to save the patient’s life on the day of the incident (pretty much like Paley’s team saved their own patient, if you like to compare with Paley). The family of the patient then decided to disconnect the patient from the ICU machines in the following days because of his bad brain response.
I can’t imagine what else or what more Paley (or anyone) would have done if they had a patient with heart attack away from the hospital. From what I understand, Paley’s embolism occurred when the patient was still in the hospital, so the chances of survival were far more on his side; Actually it would have been a “crime” if their patient had died whilst in the hospital!
For me Paley is unjustifiably expensive, especially if you consider that you don’t get to see him a lot during your recovery or even be operated by him. Paley also failed to inform authorities about the problems of Stryde despite tha fact that he used it in large nummbers much earlier than the rest of the world; this doesn't show any quality control imo or just shows prioritization in making money. Giotikas is far more accessible than Paley and very much appropriately trained and experienced for the job…even when sh*t hits the fan!
Quote from: Arcon on January 06, 2022, 10:03:41 AMExcuse me but I disagree… Sh*t did hit the fan on that day in Athens and Giotikas’s team responded quickly according to their protocol and managed to save the patient’s life on the day of the incident (pretty much like Paley’s team saved their own patient, if you like to compare with Paley). The family of the patient then decided to disconnect the patient from the ICU machines in the following days because of his bad brain response.
I can’t imagine what else or what more Paley (or anyone) would have done if they had a patient with heart attack away from the hospital. From what I understand, Paley’s embolism occurred when the patient was still in the hospital, so the chances of survival were far more on his side; Actually it would have been a “crime” if their patient had died whilst in the hospital!
For me Paley is unjustifiably expensive, especially if you consider that you don’t get to see him a lot during your recovery or even be operated by him. Paley also failed to inform authorities about the problems of Stryde despite tha fact that he used it in large nummbers much earlier than the rest of the world; this doesn't show any quality control imo or just shows prioritization in making money. Giotikas is far more accessible than Paley and very much appropriately trained and experienced for the job…even when sh*t hits the fan!
Where did u get those infos ?
I read that he died before even arriving at the hospital or even having any treatment .
Am i wrong ?!
If someone who was in Greece can clarify this would be helpfull for the sake of this conversation
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Quote from: ll-patient on January 04, 2022, 09:10:56 AMI think patients are going to him only because he is inexpensive (because greece is quite cheap) and he is offering guichet nail (weight bearing).
1000% at least for me.
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