not to be rude but why would you ever pump yourself up if you were short?

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I have to say, even most posters on here aren't such mental midgets they go as far to max their illusion of height with every piece of fashion you can wear on your body like you are describing (let me add that those are terrible fashion choices as well lol but that's a whole different discussion). And for someone who has it down so narrow, literally, you seem blind to the fact you can build a physique that can give the illusion of a taller body. A twig might dwarf someone a whole foot shorter but anyone not a "sk8er boy" within half a foot would be able to size you up, and anyone the same height with a filled out frame would make you look emaciated and it only gets worst for you the taller they get compared to you.

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i feel like i judge height by the length in someone's body. short/squat/square men look bad to me. i have quite wide shoulders for my height (i'm 16 collar ish) and long levers so being thin makes me look even longer. i don't look emaciated even when i'm thin just longer. guys who look really good to me are like matthew hitt or marcel castenmiller. i like and only envy youthful thin looking dudes with nice faces. muscular guys look stupid to me. they are openly mocked in my community. i admit that mine is probably narrow. i live in new york city among artists etc. i don't hang out with like guys who work in like marketing

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I get the idea you're going for. There's a lot more going on though, these guys look tall especially in photographs by themselves but if they were photographed with someone of the same height with some size it will stand out and the illusion of height is gone. In fact them being so skinny could give the other bigger guy the illusion that he is bigger than he really is. But we don't live in 2D world like photographs, I've met shorter people who are jacked and I'd say if they were skinny they might even feel shorter because they'd look so much smaller overall. In a 2D photograph the height difference would be obvious but in reality seeing someone in 3 dimensions, it certainly isn't as obvious. If you don't have any size at let's say 5'4, you're just going to look even punier. The look you want in my opinion doesn't really work unless you're maybe 6'+ because your frame even if skinny is going to be fairly big compared to regular sized 5'9 guy. But also remember if you get to 6', your frame is still 5'8, just with longer legs, probably exaggerates the look you're going for though if you want to be rail thin. New Yorker here too by the way.

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yeah i mean i have long arms and wide shoulders. i just have shorter legs. i'm 174 so just a bit under 5'9'' which feels TINY in new york. 6'1'' is average here. all of my friends are taller than i am. i feel grateful to have a pretty face. but my friend's bf just said "all guys under 5'11'' are queer and i lol'd bc that's kind of true. to be shorter than 5'11'' in this world is to be othered lol.  i see what you're saying that you can only fool ppl so much. but i'm talking about looking good in clothes. i care more about that than looking good nked. i don't ever wear shorts except to work out. and not to height shame, bc i feel horrible about my height, but i dont know what i would do if i were 5'4''. 5'9'' feels tiny and i wear lifts constantly so people think i'm 6'. i thought i was 176 until my doctor measured me at 174 and it broke my heart. i cried afterwards. i've never had anyone i know guess me under 5'11'' in shoes. i cant wear like converses at 174. it's just not happening. even in brooklyn where ppl are shorter lol also everyone in my family except me is normal/tall. my mom is my height and my dad was 184cm. my brother is 182cm. my male cousins all 6'+ i just got   luck.

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What you wear is also another thing I feel that is more obvious in photographs than in reality. If you see someone dressed in stripes and whatever to give the illusion they are taller than they are, you can see through it the moment you compare their body to another object. You could probably shoot a 5'4 person to look many inches taller under circumstances (nothing to compare to, angle, etc.).

I don't believe 6'1 is average, I take the ferry and be around lower and midtown during both rush hours regularly(tons of tourists during afternoon rush hour at ferry though) and I don't feel majority of men 6'1, anyone legit 6'1 and taller and there are plenty of them but definitely a minority, generally sticks out like a sore thumb when they're about to load the ferry when everyone is standing waiting by the doors.

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yeah i mean i'm talking about people going to art parties/ bars / cool places. i feel tall on the subway. i'm from an upper class family and world. upper class people are taller generally. i don't really get how i could feel better about my height seeing that i'm taller than some loser on the subway who is like a paralegal

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I would certainly prefer to be a muscular paralegal/solicitor/doctor/accountant than a skinny artist.

Calling people 'losers' for their job and stratifying people based on their class screams of insecurity, an insecurity that extends beyond height issues.

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Quote from: macman18 on October 10, 2018, 06:43:07 AMyeah i mean i'm talking about people going to art parties/ bars / cool places. i feel tall on the subway. i'm from an upper class family and world. upper class people are taller generally. i don't really get how i could feel better about my height seeing that i'm taller than some loser on the subway who is like a paralegal
What's your wingspan, inseam and shoulder width?

Quote from: edwardv6 on October 10, 2018, 05:15:45 AMI get the idea you're going for. There's a lot more going on though, these guys look tall especially in photographs by themselves but if they were photographed with someone of the same height with some size it will stand out and the illusion of height is gone. In fact them being so skinny could give the other bigger guy the illusion that he is bigger than he really is. But we don't live in 2D world like photographs, I've met shorter people who are jacked and I'd say if they were skinny they might even feel shorter because they'd look so much smaller overall. In a 2D photograph the height difference would be obvious but in reality seeing someone in 3 dimensions, it certainly isn't as obvious. If you don't have any size at let's say 5'4, you're just going to look even punier. The look you want in my opinion doesn't really work unless you're maybe 6'+ because your frame even if skinny is going to be fairly big compared to regular sized 5'9 guy. But also remember if you get to 6', your frame is still 5'8, just with longer legs, probably exaggerates the look you're going for though if you want to be rail thin. New Yorker here too by the way.
If his inseam is sub 80cm and his shoulders are wide he can pull off 6'0 easy. Assuming his feet aren't really tiny and he doesn't have 5-6 inch wrists.

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Lol at crying over 2cm. Not even an inch. Please go seek some help, I'm not just trying to troll.

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wingspan 183, inseam i think 78, i wear a 16 collar or 38-40 suit, my feet are pretty big size 45/11 (american). i do have baby foal (lol) wrists tho. ngl. my ring size is just 10. i have a decently long neck but not a huge head i honestly think i would look fine w surgery. grigor dimitrov has a smaller head than i do and he's like 192cm. he's hot. i really just have short legs. my swim coach used to joke he never understood why i wasn't a good swimmer bc i'm built like a gorilla (i have such long arms for my height). lol. i get that some of you might not think being 5'9'' is horrible, and it isn't at all. i have no problem getting attention but without lifts it's fking short in new york city. you really have to be 6'4'' here or so to hear "you're tall" if i had this surgery it would just to be average/viable 181-182cm. that's 7-8cm