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Posted on Aug 25, 2020, 4:49 pm
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Quote from: NotSoBigBadBruin on August 25, 2020, 02:28:07 PMI agree, but did you read the example included in my previous post? 1 centimeter!

There’s no way you can gain 2 to 4 inches just by optimizing your nutrition.


I'm not really convinced that that calculation is accurate or reliable. It looks like a wild estimation.

Also it says for non-white people, the environmental impact is bigger.

Nutrition is not even the only factor here.

I think sleep deprivation and depression play bigger roles  as long as you didn't starve

I knew a guy. Father is 5'6", mother is 4'11". Since he was young, he never missed drinking milk and went to bed at 8PM every night. Now he's about 5'11" or taller.

I knew another guy. Father is 5'9". Mother is 4'11". He left school at 8th grade. I imagined since he left school, he lived stress-free and slept like a baby every single day. Now, 6'.

Sometimes I find it difficult to attribute their cases to coincidence.

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Posted on Aug 25, 2020, 6:47 pm
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The problem with stuff like this is that people who were picky eaters as kids blame themselves for not gorging themselves on all the available food or not eating enough vegetables, thinking that's why they're short now and considering LL.  It's unlikely that affected you much.  Your brother or father or whoever is taller than you because families and races have genetic variability.

You don't need to justify LL by convincing yourself you somehow didn't get the height you should've been entitled to at birth.  If you want to be taller than you are now, go for the surgery without the guilt or wondering.

A fellow Beijing LL'er I met lived in a refugee camp as a kid before his family was granted asylum in Canada.  He was significantly shorter than his non-refugee younger brother; had some other health issues too since he was a kid.  Living in conditions like that obviously did have something to do with his height.  Probably your upbringing wasn't as deprived and didn't change your height much.

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Posted on Aug 25, 2020, 6:58 pm
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Quote from: Bruce Wayne on August 25, 2020, 04:49:07 PMI'm not really convinced that that calculation is accurate or reliable. It looks like a wild estimation.

Also it says for non-white people, the environmental impact is bigger.

Nutrition is not even the only factor here.

I think sleep deprivation and depression play bigger roles  as long as you didn't starve

I knew a guy. Father is 5'6", mother is 4'11". Since he was young, he never missed drinking milk and went to bed at 8PM every night. Now he's about 5'11" or taller.

I knew another guy. Father is 5'9". Mother is 4'11". He left school at 8th grade. I imagined since he left school, he lived stress-free and slept like a baby every single day. Now, 6'.

Sometimes I find it difficult to attribute their cases to coincidence.


5'4" (?) mom, 5'6" dad.

I drank 3 cups of milk until 11 or 12, ate healthy, exercised, and was forced to go to bed at 8:30 until maybe 12 (so early I would get bored while trying to fall asleep). I remained abnormally short until 13 or 14 and at this point I'm not even sure if I can reach the lowest theoretical height of 5'6" (at night).

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Posted on Aug 25, 2020, 7:55 pm
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Found this one. Possibly inadequate supply of oxygen?

https://denver.cbslocal.com/2020/08/25/altitude-stunted-growth-children-born-study/

(Direct) https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jamapediatrics/fullarticle/2769778

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Posted on Aug 25, 2020, 8:07 pm
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Quote from: Medium Drink Of Water on August 25, 2020, 06:47:26 PMThe problem with stuff like this is that people who were picky eaters as kids blame themselves for not gorging themselves on all the available food or not eating enough vegetables, thinking that's why they're short now and considering LL.  It's unlikely that affected you much.  Your brother or father or whoever is taller than you because families and races have genetic variability.


I totally agree! My father is 176 cm, while his brother is 188 cm. They ate the same food and had pretty much the same lifestyle while growing up.

Of course, environmental factors can play a bigger role in extreme circumstances (severe malnutrition in your childhood, certain diseases, etc.), but you won’t end up being 2 to 4 inches shorter just because you didn’t drink your milk as a kid.

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Posted on Aug 25, 2020, 8:16 pm
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Quote from: HobbesTheDog on August 25, 2020, 06:58:13 PM5'4" (?) mom, 5'6" dad.

I drank 3 cups of milk until 11 or 12, ate healthy, exercised, and was forced to go to bed at 8:30 until maybe 12 (so early I would get bored while trying to fall asleep). I remained abnormally short until 13 or 14 and at this point I'm not even sure if I can reach the lowest theoretical height of 5'6" (at night).


Damn, you're saying you're the same height as your mom?

But at least you have no regret now because you've done everything you could to maximize your height. Meanwhile, I did every single thing that could possibly stunt growth.

So you're 163cm and 17 now. You can still reach 165cm if you're lucky.

Quote from: Medium Drink Of Water on August 25, 2020, 06:47:26 PMThe problem with stuff like this is that people who were picky eaters as kids blame themselves for not gorging themselves on all the available food or not eating enough vegetables, thinking that's why they're short now and considering LL.  It's unlikely that affected you much.  Your brother or father or whoever is taller than you because families and races have genetic variability.

You don't need to justify LL by convincing yourself you somehow didn't get the height you should've been entitled to at birth.  If you want to be taller than you are now, go for the surgery without the guilt or wondering.

A fellow Beijing LL'er I met lived in a refugee camp as a kid before his family was granted asylum in Canada.  He was significantly shorter than his non-refugee younger brother; had some other health issues too since he was a kid.  Living in conditions like that obviously did have something to do with his height.  Probably your upbringing wasn't as deprived and didn't change your height much.


Isn't this already a clear example that height can be significantly affected by poor upbringing?

By the way, I read somewhere that Lionel Messi would have been 4'10 or so if he hadn't been given HGH.

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Posted on Aug 25, 2020, 10:58 pm
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Quote from: Bruce Wayne on August 25, 2020, 08:16:10 PMDamn, you're saying you're the same height as your mom?

But at least you have no regret now because you've done everything you could to maximize your height. Meanwhile, I did every single thing that could possibly stunt growth.

So you're 163cm and 17 now. You can still reach 165cm if you're lucky.


Well I've noticed I've been taller than my mom for maybe a year, hence the question mark. For a while she made all the "typical jokes that every mom makes" (according to her) about how I wasn't actually taller than her. Not a good "joke" for someone who has suffered from height dysphoria for 12 years.

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Posted on Aug 26, 2020, 12:25 am
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Quote from: Bruce Wayne on August 25, 2020, 08:16:10 PMIsn't this already a clear example that height can be significantly affected by poor upbringing?


As mentioned in my previous post, things like severe malnutrition and certain diseases can of course have a bigger impact. But it seems like you really want to believe that you could be as tall as your brother had you slept more as a teenager. I’m pretty sure you didn’t lose more than 1 or 2 cm due to sleep deprivation, but if it makes you feel better ... 🤷🏼‍♂️

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Posted on Aug 26, 2020, 12:50 am
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Quote from: NotSoBigBadBruin on August 26, 2020, 12:25:41 AMAs mentioned in my previous post, things like severe malnutrition and certain diseases can of course have a bigger impact. But it seems like you really want to believe that you could be as tall as your brother had you slept more as a teenager. I’m pretty sure you didn’t lose more than 1 or 2 cm due to sleep deprivation, but if it makes you feel better ... 🤷🏼‍♂️


I don't have a brother lol

My sleep deprivation and depression were extreme cases.

Kids growing up in a refugee camp most likely sleep better than me.

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Posted on Aug 26, 2020, 7:45 am
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Quote from: Bruce Wayne on August 26, 2020, 12:50:28 AMI don't have a brother lol

My sleep deprivation and depression were extreme cases.

Kids growing up in a refugee camp most likely sleep better than me.


Sorry, I confused you with another user whose profile pic looks similar to yours.

So you seriously think that going to bed late is comparable to growing up in a refugee camp? That’s ridiculous! But again, if it makes you feel better ... 🤷🏼‍♂️

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