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I don't think he is even doing it for the surgeries; he is doing it out of spite.

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The encyclopedia article is not bad. But i would recommend to remove the  racist part. Also his wife and children should not be insulted. These parts rather undermine the rest of the article.

His lawsuit seems rather pointless.

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Quote from: Mime on October 17, 2014, 09:22:40 AMThe encyclopedia article is not bad. But i would recommend to remove the  racist part. Also his wife and children should not be insulted. These parts rather undermine the rest of the article.

His lawsuit seems rather pointless.

they can't remove the racist part, it's encyclopedia dramatica any articular has to contain racism, lies and lame jokes

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This is only adding fuel to the already blistering fire of contempt for the guy. He should just close up shop and call it a day. There isn't much of a reputation for him left to defend, as pretty much everyone knows what has transpired there by now.

The purpose of LL is supposed to be to improve your quality of life, not to end up spending every waking hour running a for profit forum filled with misinformation and deceit, and obsessing to act out against and silence all those who realize it for what it is and speak out against it. If he were so happy with his results shouldn't he be enjoying life rather than going through the trouble of everything he is now doing?

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How is it possible to sue someone without even knowing who they are, and without even being in the same country as them? I'm no legal expert, but seems pointless to me.

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by pretending that they all live in new York LOL

did anyone read the document that states that everyone lives in new York lol (what a joke lol)

this seems pointless. I guess he just doesn't know what else to do. perhaps he is at his ropes end.

ps the document actually give out his actual address. not very smart. there are a lot of people that got hurt. and now they have an address.

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Well, I'd definitely like to go and sing "I'm a tramp" with him sometime. Lol.

Joke aside, I also found some parts in the article unnecessary (the racist part, for instance). I know ED's style, but it's rather tasteless humor in this instance. I had no idea there was such an article, by the way, I learned about it through this thread. You're right - building things up usually ends up in worse results.

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He's suing Sweden too? Talk about betrayal. He sure doesn't mind Sweden giving his site a diary and traffic.


Anyway that ED article was hilarious. The whole point of ED articles is to be inflammatory to an extreme degree. What makes it funny is how it's blended in with truth. One of my favorite articles on that site is the one about Channel Awesome. Either way, the Shahn article will soon be the very first link that pops up whenever his name is searched up and his secret will be exposed so there's some justice in that.

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Yeah, I'd really like to know what Sweden thinks about this, but he's been away for quite a while.

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A guy who practiced law online basically said Shahn's lawsuit isn't going to amount to jack squat.

I have received numerous PMs concerning this supposed lawsuit. This is my legal opinion. If you are truly concerned, you should talk to an attorney in person for a second opinion. Again, this is my opinion. I am relying on my experience, as well as FRCP (federal rules of civil procedure).

Yes, i am an attorney. I am barred in PA (2009, inactive status right now since i don't live there anymore) and AZ (active since 2010). I'm also a member of the US District Court of AZ, and the 9th circuit (West coast states).

The lawsuit that he filed in the District Court NY is fairly common; that is just where he lives, and probably hired some new attorneys who will file anything and everything. The suit that was filed is so copy and paste that it really almost looks like one of my Civil Procedure law school exams. It really is extremely basic, citing FRCP 1300's that have to do with PJ (personal jurisdiction) and FQ (federal question). Defamation and Libel are all and good, however, the way i read it is that the basis of the lawsuit for Jurisdictional Purposes are the Copyright issues. Copyright is the domain of federal law, hence why it is in federal court. Of course it's been a while since i've done Civil Procedure, but i still have my book and my notes. It's actually quite basic when it comes down to it.

If he claims he has a hearing to subpoena their IPs from their email accounts, i don't think this makes a whole lot of sense.

1. Federal Courts are slow as  . For him to file the suit to getting to a subpoena phase is highly unlikely. Unless the US District Court of NY is hurting for cases, i highly doubt he would be seen so soon.

2. Subpoenas are a difficult process to say the least. First, he would need to figure out John/Jane Doe 1-20's IP addresses, each and every one of them. He could get a subpoena to figure that out, but where do you start? He'd need a subpoena for ED, then assuming the court grants that, he's just have a list of addresses. Then he'd need to figure out which each IP address points to. He'd have to subpoena 20 different billion dollar, multi national companies.

3. Assume this process happens. This is also assuming that Comcast, Sprint, Time Warner, Verizon, whoever each user uses for Internet actually complies with a subpoena from some random court, he then has to find out who the actual individual behind each IP address is.

4. If this happened, he would then need to file separate lawsuits in every single case in every single jurisdiction. If there are any foreigners involved, good luck with that. International jurisdiction is almost fking impossible, and in cases where there is product liability and people fking DIED (Helicopteros V. Hall) the courts said tough  . He would need to figure out every single John Doe 1 - 20 and sue them in the appropriate courts, make sure each person's state has a proper Long Arm statute, and then allege a FRCP rule (again, Damages over 75k or a federal question) in EVERY CASE. Again, highly unlikely.

5. As we have seen over the past few years, these ISPs have basically told the US Government, the most power entity on the planet, to go fk themselves when faced with these subpoenas. This is serious   having to do with Terrorists. The courts take this VERY seriously, and probably would have a hard time granting a subpoena. They will grant subpoenas for law enforcement purposes, but this is civil.

6. This is prohibitively expensive. Private attorneys usually have a fee agreement that says "ill do X for X amount of money. If it goes beyond that, I'll charge another X for X amount of work", etc.

7. Assume that everything goes his way. He gets his subpoenas, he gets his IP addresses, ISPs roll over and give up personal information, he tracks down where the Ip addresses are from. How does prove you, the individual, are the person behind the IP address? User names don't mean  . He'd have to prove in court that you are your user name, and that your IP was matched to your home computer.

8. This would take an ungodly amount of time, money, and resources. He is trying to scare everyone.

9. The appropriate response to every single interrogatory (negative to each one) is that the court should dismiss this case for a lack of personal jurisdiction pursuant to Rule 12b of the FRCP.

Thats all i can think of right now after 2 scotches. He is trying scare tactics. If the editors of his site are truly concerened, just take down whatever he is bitching about video wise.

The beauty of Libel is that it's one of the few instances where the burden of proof is on the plaintiff to prove the claims aren't true. Libel cases are notoriously difficult to prove. Also "publication" is a legal term that means that the offending comment was overheard/conveyed by a second party - not necessarily the common definition of being printed on paper.

If you are interested, check it out:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Personal_jurisdiction

https://forum.encyclopediadramatica.se/threads/my-legal-opinion-on-the-shahn-lolsuit.19546/