Paley Institute | Bilateral Femur Surgery | Dr Dr Deszczyński & Dr Albrewczyński

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Quote from: Masteryourlife on December 30, 2021, 06:17:26 PM
Robbins for example did not suggest to TakingAction to slow down the lenghetning with the shin numbness when Paley did and suggests it in its literature .

Robbins was on a honeymoon and it’s Dr Shannon who didn’t suggest slowing down.

I agree 90k+ (or almost 100k) is expansive for “Paley + Robbins” price. Surgeons in the US are just expensive I think. For example Dr Rozbruch charges 125k not because he’s more famous or more experienced than Pelay but he’s in New York where cost of living is crazy. I agree there’re more valuable options to choose for people who are not in US and there’re many good doctors besides Paley.

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Quote from: LongTorso on December 30, 2021, 11:51:25 AMHaving this sitting height and torso length has its pros and cons. When I am sitting down it can be quite fun to watch people trying to guess my height. I've been mistaken for being 6'3-6 so many times when I'm at a club. The reactions are definitely quite interesting to watch, but some are pretty brutal  .

Girls love to wear my XL hoodies which is always a fun conversation starter. However, I have a tall person problem without actually being tall. My head touches the ceiling of many cars while I sit down and seats in trains and planes are usually a bit too small.

Thanks for your advice. I will be contacting a GP tomorrow so I can get a referral to an endocrinologist. I started taking low HGH dosages privately and saw a 0,5cm increase in 6 weeks. You might be correct when it comes to the third option. I did not have a major growth spurt during "puberty" years. Instead, I saw linear growth which was constant since childhood.

I can't exactly do both high-dosage HGH and cover the quadrilateral surgery as 1-2 years of high-dosage HGH will basically cost the same as the surgery itself here.

I will see if I can get for cheaper/free in the public healthcare system by presenting evidence of the MRI scan, the doctor's letter stating that growth occurred with 6 weeks of HGH, and stating that I am currently on 0.023mg/kg/day of HGH which is considered a "low" dosage.

I am doing this without telling anyone (and I am therefore self-funding it) as I will be branded a lunatic by family members .

You should absolutely put your money towards treating any HGH deficiencies or any other such hormone-related problems, first. It's very likely you won't even need LL if you're treated correctly. I unfortunately didn't address my precocious puberty growing up, and as a result, I lost out on 5-6 inches that I need LL to regain. If you work quickly, you might be able to avoid this mistake & LL entirely.

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Quote from: SuchLL on December 30, 2021, 10:03:26 PMRobbins was on a honeymoon and it’s Dr Shannon who didn’t suggest slowing down.

I agree 90k+ (or almost 100k) is expansive for “Paley + Robbins” price. Surgeons in the US are just expensive I think. For example Dr Rozbruch charges 125k not because he’s more famous or more experienced than Pelay but he’s in New York where cost of living is crazy. I agree there’re more valuable options to choose for people who are not in US and there’re many good doctors besides Paley.

I think it makes sense. Dr. Paley is *the* premier leg lengthening surgeon, and while he might not be performing the surgery itself, LL is much more than just the 1-1.5 procedure to install the nails. It involves a lot of other technical know-how that Paley can provide throughout the process. 

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Quote from: ReadRothbard on December 30, 2021, 11:41:54 PMYou should absolutely put your money towards treating any HGH deficiencies or any other such hormone-related problems, first. It's very likely you won't even need LL if you're treated correctly. I unfortunately didn't address my precocious puberty growing up, and as a result, I lost out on 5-6 inches that I need LL to regain. If you work quickly, you might be able to avoid this mistake & LL entirely.

I feel like it will be a race against time when it comes to HGH and growth plates.

I’ll probably see if I can get some from the public system for cheaper so I can buy many more pens and therefore increase the concentration. The biggest problem will be convincing my GP. However, I assume that with all the evidence that I got from the private clinic it should be enough to get it sorted. 0.5 height increase in 6 weeks with low dosages of HGH in addition to odd proportions should HOPEFULLY raise some eyebrows.

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Hey fellow European! I decided to update this thread.

After taking Human Growth Hormone (HGH) also known as Somatropin, my height increased from 5'7 to 5'8 with consistent use since October. My dosage has increased from 3IU to 6IU.

I will maximise my growth (projected to hit 178-181cm which is 5'10-5'11), I will then then pay for bilateral femurs (4cm gain) at the Schoen clinic under Dr Ian Bacarese-Hamilton for a final 6'0-6'1 height. I am assuming that my growth plates will not close before 5'10-11. If they do not, I will only do 4cm femurs as the recovery is fantastic relative to 5cm+.

Surgery should occur in the summer of 2024.

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Quote from: LongTorso on February 25, 2022, 11:20:46 PMHey fellow European! I decided to update this thread.

After taking Human Growth Hormone (HGH) also known as Somatropin, my height increased from 5'7 to 5'8 with consistent use since October. My dosage has increased from 3IU to 6IU.

I will maximise my growth (projected to hit 178-181cm which is 5'10-5'11), I will then then pay for bilateral femurs (4cm gain) at the Schoen clinic under Dr Ian Bacarese-Hamilton for a final 6'0-6'1 height. I am assuming that my growth plates will not close before 5'10-11. If they do not, I will only do 4cm femurs as the recovery is fantastic relative to 5cm+.

Surgery should occur in the summer of 2024.

Consider yourself lucky, I definitely wish my parents and I knew about growth hormone before my growth plates closed. I'll need one more surgery than you, but hopefully we can both make it to 6'1!

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Quote from: five_six on February 25, 2022, 11:26:53 PMConsider yourself lucky, I definitely wish my parents and I knew about growth hormone before my growth plates closed. I'll need one more surgery than you, but hopefully we can both make it to 6'1!

I was fortunate enough to learn about LL when I was 18. I was able to discover that my legs did not grow for whatever reason so I'm able to maximise my growth while they're still open. I am even likely to get free HGH as I will see an endocrinologist in the public system in the first week of April!

My ideal scenario would be growth plates closing at 6'1, but if I get 5'10-5'11 I'll consider myself blessed.

Let me know how the surgery goes! What are your reasons for doing LL? Do you have a thread which I can follow? You got this brother!

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Quote from: LongTorso on February 25, 2022, 11:34:28 PMI was fortunate enough to learn about LL when I was 18. I was able to discover that my legs did not grow for whatever reason so I'm able to maximise my growth while they're still open. I am even likely to get free HGH as I will see an endocrinologist in the public system in the first week of April!

My ideal scenario would be growth plates closing at 6'1, but if I get 5'10-5'11 I'll consider myself blessed.

Let me know how the surgery goes! What are your reasons for doing LL? Do you have a thread which I can follow? You got this brother!

IIRC, most guys' growth plates close around 17, so it's cool that you got lucky on that front. For me, when I was 16 the doctor showed that I haven't grown in a year. Got xrays on my left knee and wrist, turns out my growth plates are fused. Enter a ton of height dysphoria and realizing that you'll end up shorter than your own sister + a ton of your peers.

I'm 17 now, and fortunate enough to have a family that can afford two surgeries. The timing works out pretty well too, allowing me to recover from the first surgery over summer break, then waiting a year to get the second surgery. I'll definitely start my diary when I get my femur surgery in June this year. Fingers crossed I'm 6'1 in a year and a half, which is my ideal height imo.

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Quote from: five_six on February 25, 2022, 11:41:47 PMIIRC, most guys' growth plates close around 17, so it's cool that you got lucky on that front. For me, when I was 16 the doctor showed that I haven't grown in a year. Got xrays on my left knee and wrist, turns out my growth plates are fused. Enter a ton of height dysphoria and realizing that you'll end up shorter than your own sister + a ton of your peers.

I'm 17 now, and fortunate enough to have a family that can afford two surgeries. The timing works out pretty well too, allowing me to recover from the first surgery over summer break, then waiting a year to get the second surgery. I'll definitely start my diary when I get my femur surgery in June this year. Fingers crossed I'm 6'1 in a year and a half, which is my ideal height imo.

First thing: you have an Operation Wildfire medal as your pfp, glad to see other CSGO players xD

Yeah I was really lucky in this aspect, the leg ones are the first growth plates to close. Then the upper-body follows and ends at the spine. THEORETICALLY I have 2-3 years until all growth plates close, so fingers crossed that I will reach my goal without surgery!

I was actually misdiagnosed by the radiologist. He claimed that they were closed (but they looked open) so I got a second opinion. The other radiologist claimed that they were open so I disputed the diagnosis. After the review, it was found that they were actually open. So I am quite lucky!

I wonder if I'll be lucky enough for it to close at 6'1 (theoretically it can close now, which is less than ideal). If that happens, I will probably use the surgery money for tooth whitening and other stuff.

However, I was unlucky in another aspect: I was projected to hit 6'3 until I was 10. However, I never had a growth spurt so I continued to grow linearly. Growth patterns are usually linear, then the growth spurt occurs and then it stops. In my case, there was no growth spurt so I kept growing linearly until 5'7, so my bone age is actually in the 14-15 region.

I am stretching, sleeping properly, and exercising a lot as I saw some medical journals claiming that it helped with maximising growth. I am also drinking a lot more diary products (milk, cheese, supplements, yoghurts, etc.) as it resembles the Dutch diet. They must be doing something correct as it's clearly working for me.

My reason for LL was because I live in a tall region in Europe so I get mocked over it ("Napoleon complex"). If I reached 6'1 I'd be above average and would be taken much more seriously socially, romantically and career-wise. I see this as an investment as taller people earn more according to international studies so I'll make my money back eventually.

Once you get in college it starts to bother you as there are so many tall guys. As soon as college started, that's when I started the LL research. And here I am now.

Do you have specific goals for tibia and femurs? Btw do you plan on creating a diary?

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Quote from: LongTorso on February 26, 2022, 12:35:58 AMFirst thing: you have an Operation Wildfire medal as your pfp, glad to see other CSGO players xD

Yeah I was really lucky in this aspect, the leg ones are the first growth plates to close. Then the upper-body follows and ends at the spine. THEORETICALLY I have 2-3 years until all growth plates close, so fingers crossed that I will reach my goal without surgery!

I was actually misdiagnosed by the radiologist. He claimed that they were closed (but they looked open) so I got a second opinion. The other radiologist claimed that they were open so I disputed the diagnosis. After the review, it was found that they were actually open. So I am quite lucky!

I wonder if I'll be lucky enough for it to close at 6'1 (theoretically it can close now, which is less than ideal). If that happens, I will probably use the surgery money for tooth whitening and other stuff.

However, I was unlucky in another aspect: I was projected to hit 6'3 until I was 10. However, I never had a growth spurt so I continued to grow linearly. Growth patterns are usually linear, then the growth spurt occurs and then it stops. In my case, there was no growth spurt so I kept growing linearly until 5'7, so my bone age is actually in the 14-15 region.

I am stretching, sleeping properly, and exercising a lot as I saw some medical journals claiming that it helped with maximising growth. I am also drinking a lot more diary products (milk, cheese, supplements, yoghurts, etc.) as it resembles the Dutch diet. They must be doing something correct as it's clearly working for me.

My reason for LL was because I live in a tall region in Europe so I get mocked over it ("Napoleon complex"). If I reached 6'1 I'd be above average and would be taken much more seriously socially, romantically and career-wise. I see this as an investment as taller people earn more according to international studies so I'll make my money back eventually.

Once you get in college it starts to bother you as there are so many tall guys. As soon as college started, that's when I started the LL research. And here I am now.

Do you have specific goals for tibia and femurs? Btw do you plan on creating a diary?

Really cool to meet another cs player on here, hopefully I can hit faceit lvl 10 sometime this year lol.

It's crazy how genetics and growth works, with delays and such. I personally know someone at my school who's always been shorter than me, but over quarantine grew to 6'2. Crazy stuff. Fingers crossed with good diet and discipline you can make it to 6'1+ without surgery! That'd be the dream. It's definitely a solid height in northern Europe, US too.

I'm going to try to hit 8cm on both the femurs and tibias. Given my age, current flexibility, and time, I should at least have a fighting chance. And yep, I plan to start my diary when I get my femur surgery in June.