Every result that exceeds that length faces complications and has trouble recovering in the long term. This has been common knowledge for almost 2 years now on here but people are still doing it. Just curious why,.
Quote from: Knik on February 21, 2018, 09:11:51 PMI've seen many diaries of people doing 6-7 cm or even 8cm and everything was good.
so "every results" = bull
Would appreciate a link.
I’m really curious.
Are you counting guys like DIFM?
He’s “satisfied” but had disunion for a long time trouble walking etc...
Ideal is recovery to be able to walk and run again and have healthy full bones.
Quote from: zack420 on February 21, 2018, 09:02:45 PMWell I don't know about other people but I am only 163 cm or 5'4" and I have to lengthen my legs by 12 cm to reach the average that is 175 cm/ 5'9". I plan to do CLL and lengthen equally my femur and tibia by 6cm.
Have you seen how poor proportions look once you pass 3 inches? Especially the shorter the height you start off at.
I wouldn’t suggest going over 3 inches, seriously. Just naturally in real life look at a 5’4 guy and a 5’7 guy and how different their bodies are.
IMO this surgery should be 2 inches recommend 3.5 inches max. Anything beyond that good luck recovering and good luck in old age.
Quote from: Body Builder on February 21, 2018, 11:21:57 PMBecause 10cm are not enough for many of us.
I wouldn't do 2 LLs only to hit 1.78 while I reached 1.75+ with 1.
And if I didn't used crap monorails and could walk from the beginning I would't have bf and do atl and all these , I'd have beem finee even with 7.5cm on my tibias.
My proportions look better than before LL and after a second 7cm on my femurs I'd look even better.
5cm are safe(r) but that doesn't mean that with 7cm you'll have permanent problems, especially on femurs.
Yes, the rehabilitation will be longer but nothing more.
And yes, if someone has a good starting height then 5-6 cm in one segment are more than ok but if someone is less than 1.65 then 10cm are nothing special for all the money and the time 2LL need.
Moreover, 1 LL of 5cm is nothing for lets say an 1.60cm man. He becomes from way too short to just very short. Nothing special.
So for all this reasons people do more than 5cm. And it is very normal.
I find that hard to believe. This is what someone who lengthens 3 inches looks like:
And after that point, it only gets worse. Remember for every inch in human height, the head, chest, hands, etc... They all get much bigger in proportion as well.
Idk, maybe I just see this surgery different than 99.9% of the people on here. I'm not trying to be "tall" I know I'll never be tall, my 5'6 head, frame, body, torso length, chest, etc.. They were never ever meant for a tall person. That's fine, I'm alright with being 5'8, 5'9, I know I can look reasonable there. But I definitely won't look reasonable at 5'11, standing next to other guys.
Not to mention the mechanical problems you'll face when you pass say, 8cm total as well. A lot of people on hear don't want to accept it, but it's the reality. Be thankful that you are able to cheat your genetics for any height at all, but you won't be tall and you won't look good tall nor will you function well.
Here's a good example of 5'5 Bruno Mars next to 5'9 Adele at face level.
And remember, females have much smaller heads than men on average. Just look at how ridiculous that looks. His shoulder girdle and body frame is much less wide than hers as well, even when you account for her weight, it's obvious to the eyes.
IMO a big mistake people on here make is taking solo photos of themselves in a distorted mirror or from an angle that makes their torsos look longer so they look better when they make mockups.... You have to think about what you'd look like next to REAL people. What you see alone in the mirror doesn't matter.
Quote from: Knik on February 22, 2018, 09:44:42 AMCorrecting CaptainAmerica, Bruno Mars is way less than 5-5 and Adele is not even 5-8 (probably 5-7)
Stop believing them, you can well see there is not 10 cm between them
Okay so Bruno Mars is 5’4 and she is 5’’8...
And the reason their isn’t that much difference between them is because Adele is kneeling down slightly.
That’s why I used this photo, to show how different their proportions are since they’re both at face level.
Still the truth is the truth, lengthening over 3 inches you will look comical in real life next to other people.
Quote from: zack420 on February 22, 2018, 12:30:56 PMIt really sucks that my I am gonna be disproportionate after lengthening 12 cm but I have no choice guys. I want to reproduce and being this short I would never get to date girls that are close to 173-175 cm. I already hate my father for passing on his manlet genes but now I have to "responsible" and will have to marry a girl that is tall and can't do that at 163 cm only.
Lol girls of that height still won’t like you because you will be much smaller than them. Even if you worked out you would probably still be just as wide as them and have a smaller head. They will compare you to previous boyfriends and immediately know. Sorry bro.
Quote from: Body Builder on February 22, 2018, 02:16:03 PMStop saying things you don't know!.
I lengthened 3 inches and I look completely normal.
Yes my torso is a little short but my arms, my shoulders, my wrists, my head and generally everything is bigger than most of the men that are physically in my current height (5.9).
And I am sure I'll look better than most of the men of 5.11 height after I'll do my second LL because I'll be relatively tall without the skinny look that most of tall men have.
A short built man that does LL and is now more than average height due to longer legs but has still a bulk torso looks better than the majority of tall men.
So don't spread bs taking as an example a skinny little boy like Mars because there are plenty of short guys that looks like Lee Priest or Scott Caan (to not talk about bbers) that look like normal men but just short, not like kids. All these men will look terribly good after LL.
These people you talk about have trained for over 10 years in the gym along with steroids. Not everyone who is going to do LL can or will do that. Especially after lengthening over 10cm, I feel like it may even be dangerous to attempt so. But I do agree that if you're a body builder or you're big you can offset the disproportion of LL to a degree.
What I disagree with is you saying these guys look like normal proportioned men. 
It's still pretty obvious that they're short to me, and it honestly looks a bit comical putting all that muscle on a tiny frame like that. And he would look even more comical after LL, a stuffy looking short frame with ballooned up muscles walking on stilts, smh. Still he would probably look better in clothes and probably better overall than not working out.
Quote from: Knik on February 22, 2018, 01:51:10 PMI don'tt understand why guys go over 2 cm per segment, everything after it is disproportionnal and dangerous
Obvious butthurt is obvious but you're getting closer to the truth than your previous beliefs.
I'm talking out of my ass here, but years ago, either on this forum, or the old old forum , or somewhere else like a medical journal, I read that the advised maximum lengthening for mobility and full mechanical recovery was a whopping whole 4cm or, 1.5 inches.
Which I agree with! That sounds realistic. The people on here who think you can spread apart your limbs by a full goddamn 5-6 inches and keep a normal gait and be healthy for the rest of your life are DELUSIONAL. And will cause a lot of problems for other people and themselves. You don't know how much you value your health until you lose it.
Quote from: zack420 on February 22, 2018, 04:07:44 PMObviously technology has improved since then, that is why lengthening 10 cm to 14 cm is reasonable and safe. Why do you think Paley has the limits set to 8 cm femur and 6 cm tibia??
What technology are you talking about? The human body has mechanically stayed the same for like over 500,000 years now, probably more. No matter how good the technology of the actual procedure itself gets, it doesn't matter because you are always at the whims of the mechanical and physical limits of your body itself.
Take any mechanical model where weight is suspended by a rod, pole, etc.. and see how well it functions after you add or subtract even 1 or 2 inches. It can have massive impacts on the efficiency. Granted, the human body is much more resilient, adaptive, and can withstand amazingly harsh conditions (just look at these bodybuilder dudes on steroids for 20+ years like Rich Piana lifting 500lbs+ and putting their body under immense stress constantly, and even obese 300+lb people who manage to survive over 10 years like that). But it isn't ideal. You will face leg pain, back pain, possibly be in a wheelchair at old age, etc..
Also, the biggest technological advancements have been weight-bearing and internal methods... Which still frequently cause disunions and long-term complications, at least with what I've seen here reading journals.
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