Permanent effects of LL

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Quote from: applesandoranges on February 15, 2016, 02:45:30 PMSweden, my tibias measure in at 38cm long. If I keep lengthening to around 10%, so 4cm gain, would that be catastrophic? I value your opinion more since you actually did LL. Also In your opinion would I make a recovery close to 100%? do I need Achilles lengthening?

It won't be catastrophic doing only 4cm. You should ask yourself if you will be happy with only 4cm.

Forget 100% recovery. It will never happen.

Nobody can tell if you need Achilles lengthening. Probably not if you do only 4cm and stand up every day and do your physio.

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Quote from: applesandoranges on February 15, 2016, 02:45:30 PMSweden, my tibias measure in at 38cm long. If I keep lengthening to around 10%, so 4cm gain, would that be catastrophic? I value your opinion more since you actually did LL. Also In your opinion would I make a recovery close to 100%? do I need Achilles lengthening?

Usually 15% is the cut off, although some doctor says 20% is max. 4cm is very safe.

You are unlikely needing AL as long as you stretch before and after surgery every day. Sweden had a very bad doctor, so be careful who you choose. Dr Lee in Korea said patients doing less than 5cm mostly had close to 100% recovery (and so as my mom)

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sweden, how about 5 cm?

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no, 5 cm is not better

i mean it might be better in terms of recovery, but is it really worth it

thats the thing about ll.. you go over 5 cm, and complications come... but is it really woryh it for 4 cm???

youre breaking your legs, and complications can still occur below 5 cm

this surgery is not worth it... the soft tissue damage is too much..

think about this... ill be better after a below knee prosthesis than I am right now

the soft tissue damage is tremendous

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Quote from: Sweden on February 15, 2016, 05:09:16 PMIt won't be catastrophic doing only 4cm. You should ask yourself if you will be happy with only 4cm.

Forget 100% recovery. It will never happen.

Nobody can tell if you need Achilles lengthening. Probably not if you do only 4cm and stand up every day and do your physio.

I would say it will make me happy, because I will be going from 5'7 to just under 5'9 which increases my height percentile drastically.

In what ways can a 100% recovery be impossible? Are there small pains and chronic discomforts? Can you expand on that? Thanks

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It's somewhat annoying that people who went to bad doctors decide to make their own experience as a general experience... Tibial lengthening is also possible to a max of 10cm (There is an australian Israeli born politician that added 8cm to her tibias in Russia... You can check it out on google and she is perfectly fine...). Complications can happen even with the best doctor.. But what's important is if the doctor can heal/repair those complications... You sweden got malallignment which wasnt taken care of (And the Ilizarov method is also done for people with misallignment (or however you spell it). You went to an awful doctor not a good one.. Same goes for Crimsontide... If this method did destroy lives and cripple everyone, it wouldnt be done in children by the tens of thousends...... Sorry

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tbike, youre living in a fantasy land if you think 10 cm  on an adult is possible without complications

tbike...  do you realize that there's a major difference between children and adults when it comes to surgery???


children can do much more than 10 cm, and come out okay... certainly not an adult in his 20's or 30's

if you disagree, fine... 

tbike,  i want to see peer reviewed papers  on the outcomes of doing 10 cm lengthening on HEALTHY ADULTS

if these papers do not exist, then I think it's fair to say that your claim is false

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Quote from: crimsontide on February 15, 2016, 06:58:17 PMtbike, youre living in a fantasy land if you think 10 cm  on an adult is possible without complications

tbike...  do you realize that there's a major difference between children and adults when it comes to surgery???


children can do much more than 10 cm, and come out okay... certainly not an adult in his 20's or 30's

if you disagree, fine... 

tbike,  i want to see peer reviewed papers  on the outcomes of doing 10 cm lengthening on HEALTHY ADULTS

if these papers do not exist, then I think it's fair to say that your claim is false

I said 10cm on children. No I do not recommend to do 10cm on adults... I still believe that the upper safe limit is somewhere around 6-7cm (reading diaries in old forum and seeing cases of limb disperancies in adults). Btw, where did I write anything about 10cm?

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my apologies then

but even 6 or 7 cm... where are the studies on healthy and normal adults? this 6-7 cm limit seems to be largely  made up, though I might be wrong

I certainly don't think 7 cm is  safe, based on my own experience, and from reading many diaries, but   that's not very scientific

I just don't think theres much evidence out there to judge the safety of ll when performed on  healthy adults

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Quote from: crimsontide on February 15, 2016, 07:07:31 PMmy apologies then

but even 6 or 7 cm... where are the studies on healthy and normal adults? this 6-7 cm limit seems to be largely  made up, though I might be wrong

I certainly don't think 7 cm is  safe, based on my own experience, and from reading many diaries, but   that's not very scientific

I just don't think theres much evidence out there to judge the safety of ll when performed on  healthy adults

I compare my case (or any CLL case for that matter) with limb disperancies in adults. These operations are usually done when the disperancy is more than 3.5cm. Catagni (which together with Cattaneo brought the Ilizarov technique to the west and thought many orthopedic surgerons) put the numbers between 5-8cm. He has a case study (which you can see on this site going to the doctors list "catagni 2015 update") of 54 cosmetic patients who did CLL of 5-8 or even 9cm with a follow-up of a few years that was published in a british orthopedics journal. He said that there were complications but that they were treated. Also, our family friend that is one of the best orthopedics surgerons in Israel (PROFESSOR Rami moshayov which is the head of the Hadassa medical center of Jerusalem for traumatic orthopedics) said that they tried to do CLL in Israel with the Ilizarov technique but that almost no body passed the psycological test so that's why it wasnt worth it. I asked him about Catagni and about the risks of this surgery... He said to me that Catagni is "The best of the best" and that I will put myself in safe hands with him but that I should prepare myself for a very hard psychological journey (And that I should think if I am capable of this kind of feat). If this surgery was as dangerous and almost a sure way to cripple myself he would have told me and my mom to not even think about it.