If you think your "experiment" is a good indicator of truth, then I am sorry but you are a complete fool.
As other wise posters have mentioned, watch what they do and not what they say. No woman will outright tell you on a dating app that they have clear, demonstrable preferences for sexually-dimorphic men.
But countless studies have been done on this. Look up sexual dimorphism if you want a dose of reality, not some statistically-insignificant flawed study on bumble.
Case in point...have you considered that the only women you surveyed were ones that you matched with? Already your study is flawed.
Reality can be painful, everyone here has had a healthy dose of reality to even consider surgery. I wish you the best towards curing your height dysphoria goals, but you need to get real if you truly think what you said in your OP.
https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S0191886913000020
"Using a student sample (N = 650), we show that women are not only more selective, but also more consistent, than men, in their partner height preferences. Women prefer, on average, a larger height difference between themselves and their partner (i.e. males being much taller than themselves) than men do. This effect is even more pronounced when examining satisfaction with actual partner height: women are most satisfied when their partner was 21 cm taller [...]."
https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S0191886907002814
"We examined this proposal using samples of 2000 personal ads and 382 undergraduates. Both sxxes preferred relationships where the woman was shorter when specifying the shortest acceptable, tallest acceptable, and ideal dating partner. In the personal ads sample, this norm was more strongly enforced by women than by men: 23% of men compared to only 4% of women would accept a dating relationship where the woman was taller. Preferences for the male-taller norm were less pronounced in short men and tall women, who shifted towards preferring someone closer to their own height."
https://www.psychologytoday.com/gb/blog/after-service/201909/5-reasons-why-women-and-men-care-about-height
"Relatedly, a study about height and human mate choice found that, on average, the shortest man a woman would date is 5 feet 9 inches tall. Finally, researchers have found that women married to taller men report being in better health, have lower BMIs, more education, and higher incomes compared to women married to shorter men."
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Unfortunately science confirms exactly what all of us knew anyways. This is a brutal world we live in.
You should be doing this surgery for yourself, nothing else.
Unless you are shorter than them most women don't care about height. The best ones certainly don't. I think some women who are less attractive and less intelligent seek height as a substitute they can't get the top men in terms of attractiveness, intelligence and wealth so settle.
Quote from: HeightGain on June 07, 2021, 08:48:35 PMYou should be doing this surgery for yourself, nothing else.
Unless you are shorter than them most women don't care about height. The best ones certainly don't. I think some women who are less attractive and less intelligent seek height as a substitute they can't get the top men in terms of attractiveness, intelligence and wealth so settle.
Working on our selves should be our number one priority. I think it’s unhealthy to focus on the women who only want the tall men and pleasing them.
if your dont have money, decent job, and cant crate an comfort for woman( rent an apartment, car) - its doesnt matter what height you have. Even if you will be 6,4 and fit as hell, - yeah, maybe women will stare you, but nothing more, and very quicky they understand who you are in reality.
So, let me quote BB -" height increase just let you reach your top potential" and nothing more. And its only additional feature, if all others aspect of your life allready settled. If not, it only can cure your height neurosis, and even push you r back due unstable life state in professional field.
Well LL is expensive, so those who get it are already successful where it counts.
Ya unfortunately your sample is incredibly biased. There are tons of studies on this topic with much better data that shows height is massively important. I would argue it’s more important than a women being slim. Of course this is just my personal opinion and it would be impossible to compare exactly what the male to female equivalent for height is. My guess from doing a decent amount of both empirical and anecdotal research is that height is roughly equivalent to Both a healthy BMI in women, in addition to
a feminine figure, (child bearing hips, hourglass figure etc.) I don’t think that is completely accurate but it is the best I can think of. One thing is that many women can actually have a BMI that is “overweight” or possibly “obese” but depending on how they carry it, they can actually look better than if they were “thin”. Height in men does not map on to this at all, taller is almost always better, (some studies show diminishing returns, particularly if you go past 8 inches taller than the woman).
Anyways I dont mean to discourage anyone, but I think it’s important to have accurate info on this.
Quote from: Sambollio on June 08, 2021, 03:11:07 AMI would argue it’s more important than a women being slim.
Definitely. What man would say Siri is undesirable?
Quote from: Sambollio on June 08, 2021, 03:11:07 AMYa unfortunately your sample is incredibly biased. There are tons of studies on this topic with much better data that shows height is massively important. I would argue it’s more important than a women being slim. Of course this is just my personal opinion and it would be impossible to compare exactly what the male to female equivalent for height is. My guess from doing a decent amount of both empirical and anecdotal research is that height is roughly equivalent to Both a healthy BMI in women, in addition to
a feminine figure, (child bearing hips, hourglass figure etc.) I don’t think that is completely accurate but it is the best I can think of. One thing is that many women can actually have a BMI that is “overweight” or possibly “obese” but depending on how they carry it, they can actually look better than if they were “thin”. Height in men does not map on to this at all, taller is almost always better, (some studies show diminishing returns, particularly if you go past 8 inches taller than the woman).
Anyways I dont mean to discourage anyone, but I think it’s important to have accurate info on this.
Height is definitely a huge factor. But average or even slightly shorter than average guys with for example good jawline, nice hair, high cheekbones, etc (attractive features) are more likely to attract a women than a guy who is tall but average looking. Even a lot of tall guys are unattractive ( overweight, bad features, etc )
Of course at the end of the day, we are in the modern age and even an ugly tall guy can become somewhat attractive through cosmetic surgery and it would cost less than CLL and would be way easier
Activatedxx,
There may be other ways to improve appearance, but there's just so much data / studies out there validating the importance of height for men in terms of appearance, it's hard to ignore. Also, other methods of improving appearance may not be as feasible or have as much impact on appearance compared to CLL. For example, hitting the gym to build muscle is a common suggestion to improve appearance, but a lot men can only make modest gains that way because of genetics, bone structure and prior injuries.
-Hercules
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