Right, we need a plan of action.

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As a community, we need to sort a few things out.  Yes I know we're all angry, confused, and bitter about what Syoptheosis has been doing over the last 2 years, but we need to now start thinking about how we can structure and utilise that passion for the greater good.

Currently, this site is a mess.  That's to be expected, of course: it's new, it's young, and it's built on fiery tempers and hurt.  That is fine.  We need time to come to terms with this and heal ourselves first.  But after that, we need direction.  We need the website, at a superficial level, to function in a way that allows people to share and organise views regarding limb lengthening, proportions, and dealing with height issues.

After the site is fully functional, we need to decide where to go next in terms of what we want this site to be.  As I see it, there are a couple of options:

• We model ourselves after old forum , yet make sure that those who govern the site are IMPARTIAL and not financially driven.  We make the site 100% transparent, and we DO NOT have ONE PERSON IN CONTROL.  This is what I think was the fundamental flaw with old forum .  It was founded by a mentally unsound, horrible, spiteful individual who then passed on the dictatorship to an equally messed-up and self-centered individual.
• We avoid any comparisons with old forum .  We structure the site differently, have a different philosophy etc.  Personally I feel the old forum  model is valid EXCEPT from the dictatorship that arises from it.  We need multiple people who have a shared, common goal which the community agrees on.

After the structure and politics of the site have been determined, we need to decide on how it's best to get the message out to other people that:

• We are the most transparent and helpful LL site
• old forum  is not transparent and SysOp and various other members are not to be trusted

How we go about doing these two raises numerous ethical issues: 

• Shall we just sit back and wait for people to join this forum? We won't appear very far up on searches on Google, so wouldn't it make sense for us to be pro-active and go 'guerrilla' in getting new members? 
• If we are to use Guerrilla tactics, where shall we draw the line?  Shall we limit ourselves to simply messaging as many old forum members as possible, linking them to the site, explaining the problems with old forum  etc.?
• Or do we do more? Do we use multiple ip addresses to create accounts, spam old forum , and take down the site from the inside?  Or do we push the boundaries and find Sysoptheosis' personal details, or even hack the site? Where do we draw the line?

This is a very delicate matter.  We can't just rush into this.  We need a long and lengthy debate about our course of action.  We need to know who's doing what and what collectively we are working towards.  I will do everything in my power to make sure justice is served to those he need it dealt to them.  In my personal opinion, I think we should:

• Get this site in order.  Set up sub-forums, avatars, signatures, etc.  We need to be proffesional before anyone takes us seriously.   
• Make sure our leadership model is clear, focused, and transparent.  Make sure everyone feels like the community is going forward in the right direction
• Go Guerrilla.  Make no mistake, I may be preaching peace here, but even I know peace cannot exist sometimes without war.  This is a war.  We are fighting against a serious tyranny which has ruined people's lives and deceived a whole community for financial gains. That is evil.  And we must remove it.

I hope what I've said has made sense and I HOPE we can get a mature discussion going about the points I have raised.  I want to help.  I want to help more than anything.

God bless you all.

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Quote from: Snivy on September 27, 2013, 08:10:16 PMWe have to take Apo down by any means necessary IMO. He's toying with people's lives. He's dangerous.

I agree and I do think any action here is justified because it'll save more people than it'll harm.  I think ruining one guy's life, as horrible as it sounds, is justifiable if it saves many more from being ruined.

HOWEVER, my main message in my post was that we need to get organised and have a road-map before we take Apotheosis on.

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I'm willing to devote as much time and energy as it takes to take Apotheosis down and I hope Dameon (who I think is moderator here?) will contact me soon in the future, I have various ideas and initiatives to propose to him which I hope he'd consider and take on board

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Quote from: An_Apple_A_Day on September 27, 2013, 08:25:49 PMQuote from: XYZ on September 27, 2013, 08:12:08 PMQuote from: Snivy on September 27, 2013, 08:10:16 PMWe have to take Apo down by any means necessary IMO. He's toying with people's lives. He's dangerous.

I agree and I do think any action here is justified because it'll save more people than it'll harm.  I think ruining one guy's life, as horrible as it sounds, is justifiable if it saves many more from being ruined.

HOWEVER, my main message in my post was that we need to get organised and have a road-map before we take Apotheosis on.

And if you all are blood thirsty and want vengeance then planning it on an open forum where everyone can see is just about as stupid as you can get.

It's not, at all.  SysOp can't do anything even if he does read what's on here.  In a way it's good if he knows we're standing strong on this issue.  He can't ban us on old forum  if he doesn't know who we are.   

My point is, the site hasn't even got sub-forums yet.  We still don't have our own identity separate from old forum .  We need to get organised, get focused, get patients on board, get exposure, and we need to make sure people that come here know that we are the only ones that can be trusted; old forum  cannot.

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And it's not vengeance we're calling for.  What's vengeful about wanting to remove a tyrant from power?  He's harming people and he's going to harm more people unless we become the better forum and we make people realise that old forum  is not a trustworthy source of ll information.