Salesmen for doctors have flooded this forum!!

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Bodybuilder is just mad that Dr. D. has worked with popular mainstream social media sites to publish articles on CLL. If you actually read the FB comments on those articles though, it's clear that the general public still has no idea about the details of the procedure and thinks it's ridiculous. I doubt the average person on there will remember what LL is 15 minutes later...

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Bodybuilder is not being pessimistic. It's called "cold, hard" truth for a reason. It isn't pretty.

In fact, we all owe him and anyone else who carried this community forward (and continues to do so) a huge debt. Without them, our knowledge of limb lengthening would either a) not exist or b) include large areas of ignorance.

I don't see it as being negative at all. In fact, I would much rather have this matter-of-fact talk with something so life-alteringly dangerous as CLL.

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Quote from: BelowTheMean on January 21, 2021, 03:28:03 PMBodybuilder is just mad that Dr. D. has worked with popular mainstream social media sites to publish articles on CLL. If you actually read the FB comments on those articles though, it's clear that the general public still has no idea about the details of the procedure and thinks it's ridiculous. I doubt the average person on there will remember what LL is 15 minutes later...
Yes I am mad of merchant doctors like him and promoters like you.
Also, they'll remember for sure the next time they will see someone struggling to walk for some months and then becoming that he did something that has being ridiculed in pages like unilad and they will ridicule the person who did it while if they never knew about it probably they would never thought that this person did LL.

Dr D and all other merchant dotors are responsible for less and less LLers able to keep their surgery hidden and it is a disgrace someone like you to defend them for that.

@vibes
Thank you for the kind words. You are truly on point of the reason why I am so harsh some times. I really want the best of every LLer.

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Quote from: Body Builder on January 27, 2021, 12:52:47 AMYes I am mad of merchant doctors like him and promoters like you.
Also, they'll remember for sure the next time they will see someone struggling to walk for some months and then becoming that he did something that has being ridiculed in pages like unilad and they will ridicule the person who did it while if they never knew about it probably they would never thought that this person did LL.

Dr D and all other merchant dotors are responsible for less and less LLers able to keep their surgery hidden and it is a disgrace someone like you to defend them for that.

@vibes
Thank you for the kind words. You are truly on point of the reason why I am so harsh some times. I really want the best of every LLer.

Is cll really that life altering dangerous if you’re with a good surgeon, do ur pt and set realistic goals such as 6-7cm for femurs?

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Quote from: azaghul on January 27, 2021, 12:58:37 AMIs cll really that life altering dangerous if you’re with a good surgeon, do ur pt and set realistic goals such as 6-7cm for femurs?
If you are with an experienced and honest doctor that is first of all an orthopedist and you do what he tells you exactly (from the amount and speed of lengthening to pt etc) chances are that you'll be very good after LL.
But lets stay on topic.

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Quote from: azaghul on January 27, 2021, 12:58:37 AMIs cll really that life altering dangerous if you’re with a good surgeon, do ur pt and set realistic goals such as 6-7cm for femurs?

You missed the point. The entire reason it is now, currently, not life-threatening is because of people precisely like Body Builder who have lived the experience and provide that evidence to the larger body of knowledge.

AKA from him we now know ATL is bad, bad and yes--causes life-altering complications. That doesn't mean those complications need to be "threatening" your life.

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Quote from: Vibes on January 27, 2021, 06:41:58 PMYou missed the point. The entire reason it is now, currently, not life-threatening is because of people precisely like Body Builder who have lived the experience and provide that evidence to the larger body of knowledge.

AKA from him we now know ATL is bad, bad and yes--causes life-altering complications. That doesn't mean those complications need to be "threatening" your life.

I wasnt referring to atl just cll in general: even with stryde non-union can occur.

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Quote from: Body Builder on January 27, 2021, 12:52:47 AMYes I am mad of merchant doctors like him and promoters like you.
Also, they'll remember for sure the next time they will see someone struggling to walk for some months and then becoming that he did something that has being ridiculed in pages like unilad and they will ridicule the person who did it while if they never knew about it probably they would never thought that this person did LL.

Dr D and all other merchant dotors are responsible for less and less LLers able to keep their surgery hidden and it is a disgrace someone like you to defend them for that.

@vibes
Thank you for the kind words. You are truly on point of the reason why I am so harsh some times. I really want the best of every LLer.

How am I a promoter? Show me one post of mine where I tell anyone to get surgery with Dr. D. Just because I picked him to do my surgery and I'm writing a journal doesn't make me a promoter. If that makes me a promoter, then everyone who has a journal on here is a promoter then...

I'm not for or against publicizing this surgery. I don't believe it will ever become mainstream and I can't control if other people decide to talk about it publicly, so it's not something that I care about.

You are clearly obsessed with LL since you are still here many years after surgery, so your mind works differently than a normal person. A normal person on the Internet who sees a post about LL isn't going to think about doing it or even put 5 minutes of thought into it. You are greatly overestimating how much the average person cares about the concept of LL. They'll treat it like any other piece of weird news that they read and forget about it quickly. Even if they see a friend who suddenly became taller, they most likely wouldn't put 2 and 2 together and figure out that the guy did LL, let alone someone on the street who is walking with crutches or something.

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Quote from: BelowTheMean on January 27, 2021, 08:20:48 PMHow am I a promoter? Show me one post of mine where I tell anyone to get surgery with Dr. D. Just because I picked him to do my surgery and I'm writing a journal doesn't make me a promoter. If that makes me a promoter, then everyone who has a journal on here is a promoter then...

I'm not for or against publicizing this surgery. I don't believe it will ever become mainstream and I can't control if other people decide to talk about it publicly, so it's not something that I care about.

You are clearly obsessed with LL since you are still here many years after surgery, so your mind works differently than a normal person. A normal person on the Internet who sees a post about LL isn't going to think about doing it or even put 5 minutes of thought into it. You are greatly overestimating how much the average person cares about the concept of LL. They'll treat it like any other piece of weird news that they read and forget about it quickly. Even if they see a friend who suddenly became taller, they most likely wouldn't put 2 and 2 together and figure out that the guy did LL, let alone someone on the street who is walking with crutches or something.
Someone who supports a doctor that much, especially when he is clearly a salesman, most of the times is a promoter, otherwise he does not have a clear view.
Maybe you simply support your doctor without taking on account what I've said, about how bad is for LLers to people know a lot aboit this surgery and promote it even on pages like unilad with million members.

And that noone would care about LL is just your opinion.
Most.of us known how suspicious  can people become if they see you suddenly with fixators or even without walking properly (with internals only where nothing is visible) after some surgery and then becoming taller.
With internals though, most people could keep that surgery easily confidential, but if someone promotes everywhere that something invisible can make you taller, then more and more people will suspect it.

Maybe you are ok with that. But you'll see the reactions of people, especially women, if they knew what you did and trust me, they will never feel the same about you again.
Most will think of you as a weirdo or  too insecure to want you as a mate.
If thats ok for you, for me it is not.
And after all, if a doctor is careful, experienced and a true professional, people will come to him much kore than being a merchant showman who promotes everywhere LL with even lies, as Paley saif about D.

So I don't know if you are a promoter. What I know is that D's tactics are bad for LLers.

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Quote from: Body Builder on January 27, 2021, 11:38:47 PMSomeone who supports a doctor that much, especially when he is clearly a salesman, most of the times is a promoter, otherwise he does not have a clear view.
Maybe you simply support your doctor without taking on account what I've said, about how bad is for LLers to people know a lot aboit this surgery and promote it even on pages like unilad with million members.

And that noone would care about LL is just your opinion.
Most.of us known how suspicious  can people become if they see you suddenly with fixators or even without walking properly (with internals only where nothing is visible) after some surgery and then becoming taller.
With internals though, most people could keep that surgery easily confidential, but if someone promotes everywhere that something invisible can make you taller, then more and more people will suspect it.

Maybe you are ok with that. But you'll see the reactions of people, especially women, if they knew what you did and trust me, they will never feel the same about you again.
Most will think of you as a weirdo or  too insecure to want you as a mate.
If thats ok for you, for me it is not.
And after all, if a doctor is careful, experienced and a true professional, people will come to him much kore than being a merchant showman who promotes everywhere LL with even lies, as Paley saif about D.

So I don't know if you are a promoter. What I know is that D's tactics are bad for LLers.

I think you should be careful who you call a promoter. Does it look like I made this account to only talk about Dr. D and how great he is? Have I tried to convince anyone on here to get this surgery at all, let alone specifically with Dr. D? This account is older than yours, you know. I never said I disagree with all your points. We agree on some things and disagree on others.

• I agree with you that it would be easier to keep LL a secret if no one was promoting it.
• I agree with you that many people would treat you differently (especially women you plan on dating) if they know you got cosmetic LL. I don't plan on telling anyone that I did it.
• I strongly disagree with the magnitude to which promoting LL will impact any of us personally. Because it is such an invasive procedure that will never become mainstream, there will never be enough people doing it that it would be considered common knowledge. There are probably only thousands or maybe tens of thousands of people doing it every year in the western world. There are billions of men on the planet. Most people hardly even look up from their phones when they're talking to other people. You greatly overestimate how much other random people care about you, especially on stuff like this. The people on this forum are not representative of the normal population. We are the tiny few that actually bothered to look into this and/or are getting it done. Most people that finish their LL get off the forums and go back to living normal lives. Even if an LL article gets 1 million page views on a site like Unilad, it's not within the realm of realism for most people, so they'll read the article like we might read about someone getting surgery to look like Elvis and then forget about it 10 minutes later. No one is going to suddenly start suspecting that other people got LL.
• As for Dr. D promoting the procedure, he's building a business and a brand around it so it's natural for him to do so. Every surgeon promotes themselves, it's really just a question of how much and in what fashion. I'm personally not going to blame him for trying to make money, but I can see what makes you upset about it. I'm sure in the long run he'll find which avenues actually help him get real patients and focus on those. (I doubt anyone reading about it on Facebook or Snapchat can actually afford it in the US.) I'm sure he's not going to throw away marketing dollars if he's not getting a good return on it.
• Besides, just look at the comments for any of the LL articles you mentioned, that are going to a wide audience. Almost all of it is mockery and jokes, like you might see on an article about people getting cosmetic surgery to look like Elvis or Kim Jong Un. When you have actual male models, celebrities, or politicians getting LL and going public about it, that's the day I'll believe that it can be considered mainstream and be worried about people knowing. In the meantime, anyone that sees a guy limping around is just going to assume he had a sports accident.