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Quote from: cyborg4life on February 19, 2020, 02:29:06 PMAwesome man seems your research has served you well! Yeah beef gelatin pretty good bio-availability so that's a good one too...note taken.

Yeah so the unstable feeling was definitely a bit of pain at first but probably more so getting used to my lower leg being elevated and the left knee taking more force as it was equally distributed vs. before the torque from the height imbalance etc. But again, I expected some getting used to the new wheels and within 3 months post consolidation (7-8 months post op) I was fine squatting 315x8 times...(probably have the video somewhere because I remember I made it to show my doctor.)



Haha I know, if the risks and complications weren't an issue sure we could all be 6'5" (albeit with crappy proportions), but there are limitations and if people want to be taller and FUNCTIONAL it's important to respect those limits as you mentioned.

I have heard recently from an interested candidate that the surgeons have started implanting the nails subcapsularly for tibias (I haven't confirmed this yet) but if they do say, insert in lower quad fascia as it becomes patellar tendon that will get more blood flow, heal faster and avoids mid-knee instability as I had and potential tendonitis later on. Not sure yet but possibly?

Thanks for checking out the videos as I have more topics I want to cover and one of the big ones being getting athletic ability back and rebounding without complications as well as the before vs. after quality of life.

Man that’s dope to hear. Sounds like a real case of full recovery if you’re able to leg press over your body weight and move like that plus you have videos so no one can say this person didn’t heal/do it !
I’m going for the same amount 5cm-5.5cm.   I’m under 5’7 too. And as much as I’d love to stack on inches. Proportions and being able to enjoy the height with minimum pain/setbacks is definitely the goal. So hearing your story and seeing how my research is on the right track makes me feel a lot confident going Into this serious surgery

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Its important to know the safe limit is not a number but a % of bone segment. 10% if optimal, 20% is upper limit.
So if you're tall at 5'8 chances are you can segment the same length as 5'2 guy much more easily.

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Quote from: Montreal172 on February 19, 2020, 11:17:09 PMIts important to know the safe limit is not a number but a % of bone segment. 10% if optimal, 20% is upper limit.
So if you're tall at 5'8 chances are you can segment the same length as 5'2 guy much more easily.

I believe the upper limit is 15-16% but yea technically you’re not wrong.
The reason informed people keep stating 5cm is becuase it’s really 4-6cm and the cosmetic surgery was usually Done for short stature . Which meant under 5’8.  So the average safe limit is 4-6cm on a 5’1-5’7 male.

That’s all I’ve see studies on so far.

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Hey Cyborg,

it would be interesting if you could talk about optimal nutrition for rehab and muscle protection during the required training break. Which calorie amounts? How much protein? Which supplements?

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Quote from: mangoman on February 22, 2020, 10:16:17 AMHey Cyborg,

it would be interesting if you could talk about optimal nutrition for rehab and muscle protection during the required training break. Which calorie amounts? How much protein? Which supplements?

Yeah gotta say that a lot of people are so worried about the potential complications that can occur but fail to realize with optimizing nutrition etc. it significantly lowers the chances of that happening.

So mangoman, to answer your question....

I made sure that I followed some rules I set out for myself (being a competitive drug-free bodybuilder) to retain muscle etc.

Water: 1 to 1.5 gallons/day

Protein: 200g+/day over course of 5 meals… 200/5=40g+ per meal. (again based on weight. When I went down for the surgery I was 175ish so I usually go for about 1 to 1.2g per lb of body weight.

Calorie-wise I was taking in about 2000-2200 per day some days lighter others more like on physical therapy or my wheelchair workouts.

Limit carbs and fats. Carbs 80-120g daily. Fats are incorporated naturally via protein or added via all natural peanut butter when carbs are very low.

Regarding the supplements here's the one's I took and recommend. I'll list them below...

-water (I did at least 1 gallon/day and up to 1.5...b/c it's water and helps the most)

-whey protein (usually breakfast and night snack before bed to bolster protein intake for accelerated healing)

-multi-vitamin (tons of important micro-nutrients and minerals that assist with bone healing. I went with a whole food variation: "Alive"

-Vitamin-C (for immunity but secondary effect is for collagen synthesis as in bone, skin, tendons, etc. soft tissue)

-Vitamin-D3 (this pro-hormone is a major key player in regulating optimal calcium levels for excellent bone repair not to mention etc.)

-Bone Maximizer w/ Collagen (MRM makes this and it has my secret MCHC (microcrystalline hydroxyapatite) which I found helps tremendously for bone repair.

-Calcium orotate (I did research and although studies were eh, I found that it is absorbed way better than even citrate and definitely carbonate variation.)

-Animal Flex joint complex (I still use it to this day with my heavy training and lifting. It helps a ton with joint integrity and the powdered variation has added collagen-can't go wrong there- for incision sites, tendon strength, even bone healing.)

-Fish Oil (EPA & DPA are really important for reducing joint inflammation, skin healing and even heart & brain function. However doctors may tell you not to take it along with the blood thinner they prescribe in distraction phase as too thin of blood could be an issue. During consolidation phase perfectly fine to take and up to 6g per day maybe more as I did

That's the bulk of what I took besides eating whole food meals etc. If I remember more I'll be sure to post.

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Quote from: cyborg4life on February 24, 2020, 12:47:16 AMYeah gotta say that a lot of people are so worried about the potential complications that can occur but fail to realize with optimizing nutrition etc. it significantly lowers the chances of that happening.

So mangoman, to answer your question....

I made sure that I followed some rules I set out for myself (being a competitive drug-free bodybuilder) to retain muscle etc.

Water: 1 to 1.5 gallons/day

Protein: 200g+/day over course of 5 meals… 200/5=40g+ per meal. (again based on weight. When I went down for the surgery I was 175ish so I usually go for about 1 to 1.2g per lb of body weight.

Calorie-wise I was taking in about 2000-2200 per day some days lighter others more like on physical therapy or my wheelchair workouts.

Limit carbs and fats. Carbs 80-120g daily. Fats are incorporated naturally via protein or added via all natural peanut butter when carbs are very low.

Regarding the supplements here's the one's I took and recommend. I'll list them below...

-water (I did at least 1 gallon/day and up to 1.5...b/c it's water and helps the most)

-whey protein (usually breakfast and night snack before bed to bolster protein intake for accelerated healing)

-multi-vitamin (tons of important micro-nutrients and minerals that assist with bone healing. I went with a whole food variation: "Alive"

-Vitamin-C (for immunity but secondary effect is for collagen synthesis as in bone, skin, tendons, etc. soft tissue)

-Vitamin-D3 (this pro-hormone is a major key player in regulating optimal calcium levels for excellent bone repair not to mention etc.)

-Bone Maximizer w/ Collagen (MRM makes this and it has my secret MCHC (microcrystalline hydroxyapatite) which I found helps tremendously for bone repair.

-Calcium orotate (I did research and although studies were eh, I found that it is absorbed way better than even citrate and definitely carbonate variation.)

-Animal Flex joint complex (I still use it to this day with my heavy training and lifting. It helps a ton with joint integrity and the powdered variation has added collagen-can't go wrong there- for incision sites, tendon strength, even bone healing.)

-Fish Oil (EPA & DPA are really important for reducing joint inflammation, skin healing and even heart & brain function. However doctors may tell you not to take it along with the blood thinner they prescribe in distraction phase as too thin of blood could be an issue. During consolidation phase perfectly fine to take and up to 6g per day maybe more as I did

That's the bulk of what I took besides eating whole food meals etc. If I remember more I'll be sure to post.

This is some great advice
  Since I’m not a full time lurker anymore lol, Just replying to say appreciate the info cyborg.

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YO

Just wanted to let you guys know I am Matt from the podcast with Victor - I hope you know what I mean by this because it means you watched/explored the podcast he's trying to create. This isn't just blank noise...there are leaders in the industry who will be hearing about this so I would urge all of you to get online and share your story with victor. I just gave my first name.. Don't think you could identify me by that.
Can't stress this enough, bringing attention on his podcast isn't just about making pointless noise...this podcast will directly be shown to leaders in the medical industry.. leaders who don't have height nuerosis but are vigilant and aware of the disorder. I think possibly insurance benefits could come with making noise. Instead of all suffering in silence... we need to mobilize to bring costs down (which is the largest barrier)

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Quote from: dreamingtall on February 25, 2020, 02:26:19 AMYO

Just wanted to let you guys know I am Matt from the podcast with Victor - I hope you know what I mean by this because it means you watched/explored the podcast he's trying to create. This isn't just blank noise...there are leaders in the industry who will be hearing about this so I would urge all of you to get online and share your story with victor. I just gave my first name.. Don't think you could identify me by that.
Can't stress this enough, bringing attention on his podcast isn't just about making pointless noise...this podcast will directly be shown to leaders in the medical industry.. leaders who don't have height nuerosis but are vigilant and aware of the disorder. I think possibly insurance benefits could come with making noise. Instead of all suffering in silence... we need to mobilize to bring costs down (which is the largest barrier)

Wasup Matt! Yeah guys, what I'm doing is sharing your stories via the Leg Lengthening Podcast (find it on Spotify) so that I can prove to other up and coming surgeons that this is a growing industry and hopefully lower a barrier of entry aka the costs in the US. Will it work, not sure, but I've made the podcast so your voices can go public bc although a forum like this is great for community and support, it can be hard for anyone on the "outside" to take you seriously.

For example, I've already touched base with Dr. M's staff and am planning on having him on in the coming weeks. (so feel free to post/send me questions, comments, topics you'd like me to voice)

I know it takes a ton of courage to come on to a podcast and share your story, trust me, (I still suck as a host -hoping to get better), but it really is the only way for people who don't have the financial means or mental readiness to undergo this rigorous yet life changing procedure.

Finally, I know a lot of people who get this LL surgery done will go on with their lives with no looking back, and they shouldn't, I can't foul them for it. But for me personally, I just couldn't walk away. This procedure literally changes my life daily because although it's nearly 8yrs later now, and even though I may not tell every stranger I see, I remember how painful it was (mentally & definitely physically) to walk around with that height imbalance and be only as tall as my shortest leg. Over the past 3 years ever since I went public with post about how LL helped me and Dr. M commented, I've decided to give back, share my story of how I went from Mr. Limp-in-his-walk to Mr. Crush-all-my goals-Confident including 2 world championship appearances in drug-free pro bodybuilding.

My point is, if you want to help me make a bigger change in the LL community, feel free to share your story whether you're in the camp of wanting to get LL surgery done or if you had it done and can shed some light for others vocally etc.

Rant over  lol

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Quote from: cam007 on February 24, 2020, 04:40:02 AMThis is some great advice
  Since I’m not a full time lurker anymore lol, Just replying to say appreciate the info cyborg.

Lol anytime my man!