ShyShy - Internal femurs - Dr Guichet 2013

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thanks for the reply ShyShy!!
its great to know that we have similar proportions.. our difference in height is exactly on the seating height! i'm at 87 cm.. but i was more worried about how my legs would look, but now i feel much more comfortable in going for 7,5 cm!!! many thanks!!
i didn't knew that about lemons!! i also hate those motherf**rs! loool .. and in a hospital i wouldn't definitely not sleep, those places are full of multi-resistant bacteria,.. maybe i'm saying something foolish but i don't know if a mosquito could carry them..
it was very cool what you did for leechlet, i knew about that but i didn't knew that the patient was you!!
thanks again and make the most of your new height!! salut!!

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man if 55K euro is all it took, i have enough...yeah. it seems that ur cost is a lot cheaper i noticed. guichet was charging me 44300K euro for surgery n 300 euro for consultation. man so the subway was basically free? dude thats better than the wheelchair. but i dont see how wheelchairing around for 3 miles a day is hard. its all hands anyways. Do you HAVE to get an x-ray every 2 weeks? thats seems like its stealing, i mean every 4 weeks seems reasonable. Also what if you run out of money during the operation...? Is anyone here from USA, if so does guichet take credit card or bank transfer, since wiring is like an xtra 3%. 6'1 here i come

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Just like to ask, would it be possible to get the nail removed by a different LL doctor other than Guichet? $10,000 for nail removal is a robbery, just greedy if you ask me but then again he is arguably the best in this field

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Quote from: Übermensch on May 15, 2014, 10:47:33 PMthanks for the reply ShyShy!!
its great to know that we have similar proportions.. our difference in height is exactly on the seating height! i'm at 87 cm.. but i was more worried about how my legs would look, but now i feel much more comfortable in going for 7,5 cm!!! many thanks!!
i didn't knew that about lemons!! i also hate those motherf**rs! loool .. and in a hospital i wouldn't definitely not sleep, those places are full of multi-resistant bacteria,.. maybe i'm saying something foolish but i don't know if a mosquito could carry them..
it was very cool what you did for leechlet, i knew about that but i didn't knew that the patient was you!!
thanks again and make the most of your new height!! salut!!
No worry, the only thing a mosquito can do is preventing u from sleeping, nothing more^^
Anyway, best of luck for your LL

Quote from: connorcranston on May 16, 2014, 03:53:54 AMman if 55K euro is all it took, i have enough...yeah. it seems that ur cost is a lot cheaper i noticed. guichet was charging me 44300K euro for surgery n 300 euro for consultation. man so the subway was basically free? dude thats better than the wheelchair. but i dont see how wheelchairing around for 3 miles a day is hard. its all hands anyways. Do you HAVE to get an x-ray every 2 weeks? thats seems like its stealing, i mean every 4 weeks seems reasonable. Also what if you run out of money during the operation...? Is anyone here from USA, if so does guichet take credit card or bank transfer, since wiring is like an xtra 3%. 6'1 here i come
When i booked the surgery i paid ~ 47 000 euros (via Bank Account Transfer), this price is made to cover extra costs in case of complications during or right after the surgery. Since i had no complications, the clinic gave me back ~ 5000 euros like 10-15 days post-op (which is more than the 3500 euros which is written in the contract) .
55k is what it cost me in total but i had around 61-62k, u need to stash a bit more than the average expected cost for the all process, just in case, u might never know what could happen.
About x-rays, thats LL guichets procedure.  Maybe he wanna check the ossification to manage with the rythm of click, or check if the nails and screws r ok and do sthg more quickly in case of problems, idk. Im not enough skilled to argue about it but u can ask him
For the wheelchair, i don't think the problem is the distance and the energy u need for it. I was neither afraid to do 5-6 kms evryday with a wheelchair, that's why i also asked for it n he refused to give me 1 arguing that he had his own reasons. I'm not sure but  i think what he dislikes the most is the sitting position which can end in phlebite/thrombose, but there r probably other reasons. Anyway, i trusted him n i didn't use a wheelchair.

Quote from: ShortyMcShort on May 16, 2014, 07:59:14 AMJust like to ask, would it be possible to get the nail removed by a different LL doctor other than Guichet? $10,000 for nail removal is a robbery, just greedy if you ask me but then again he is arguably the best in this field
Maybe some low-cost indians surgeons would do it for 100 usd 

Honestly idk, since he is creator of the nail n probably the only surgeon using it...
Til now evrything went well so i think it's better to keep the same surgeon for the all process.

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Wow, what an inspiring story! Thank you for sharing it here.
Congratulations! 

I have a few questions:
-you seemed to be achieving your height very quickly (2.7cm after 14 days) - did you do more than 1mm per day?
-you seemed to be off crutches very quickly (a couple days after lengthening) - I was under the impression that one must wait for the bone to fully consolidate before going off crutches, no?
-are your scars very visible?
-reading other diaries I got an impression that for most people in order to gain height they sacrificed their physical ability. Some are OK to pay such price, some had difficulties accepting it. Do you feel like you lost a lot of physical/sport ability? Do you feel that 100% recovery is possible?

Thank you!

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You didn't say but it feels like you are psychologically very prepared for this long haul and it showed.

Very strong recommendation for Dr Guichet. Wow!

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Quote from: darkchylde on May 16, 2014, 06:15:02 PM-you seemed to be achieving your height very quickly (2.7cm after 14 days) - did you do more than 1mm per day?
- Its 1 cm during the surgery, 3 days (including the day of surgery) with few clicks and then it's 21 clicks during 2 weeks so around 1,4mm everyday, then the rythm decreases to 15 clicks for a certain period depending on how your body reacts.
Quote from: darkchylde on May 16, 2014, 06:15:02 PM
-you seemed to be off crutches very quickly (a couple days after lengthening) - I was under the impression that one must wait for the bone to fully consolidate before going off crutches, no?
- No need to w8 the bones to be fused before starting to walk w/o crutches, apparently guichet is confident about the solidity of his nails and screws. When i was in Milano, there was an another patient who wanted to do 10 cms in 2 times (5+5), so he got his first surgery beginning of november (1 month after me), did his his 5 cms n started to walk w/o crutches 1 or 2 days before me, roughly 35-40 days post-op. N i'm pretty sure he was heavier than me.
Quote from: darkchylde on May 16, 2014, 06:15:02 PM-are your scars very visible?
This r the scars at 7,5 months post-op but i let u judge by yourself^^
For some reasons the scar which is 10 cms above the knee is more visible on the right side than on the left. Anyway when they'll get white, i guess it will be very hardly noticeable.





upper knee scar on left


upper knee scar on right


Quote from: darkchylde on May 16, 2014, 06:15:02 PM-reading other diaries I got an impression that for most people in order to gain height they sacrificed their physical ability. Some are OK to pay such price, some had difficulties accepting it.
Before the surgery, i accepted the idea that i might never recover completely my physical abilities since the most important to me was to be taller.
Quote from: darkchylde on May 16, 2014, 06:15:02 PMDo you feel like you lost a lot of physical/sport ability? Do you feel that 100% recovery is possible?
Obviously i'm not jumping as high and running as fast as i used to do it before, but im fast enough to steal a bag from a grandmother in the street so she couldn't catch me up  (plz note that ofc i would never do that^^)
Im only at 7,5 months post-op n i got allowed to do those things again (jump, run, body-building) only since 1,5 month.
So i would say since it's getting better everyday i feel that i will completely recover soon or late, but probably sooner than i expected.

Quote from: mediocre on May 17, 2014, 09:17:35 AMYou didn't say but it feels like you are psychologically very prepared for this long haul and it showed.
I don't wanna tell lies about LL. It's kinda hardcore process so it's very important to keep highly positive. From the first day and during the all process i told to myself that i needed to endure this LL during few days more, til the day (the day 73^^) it eventually ended   
To me, all the efforts (financial, physical and psychological) i made to achieve my LL r nothing compared to the happiness of being taller

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Thank you for posting pictures. Very informative.

So it is 3 scars on each leg: 2 smaller for the screws and one bigger for the Albizzia nail? How many days post op were the stitches removed? Did you treat them with any cream?

I was also wondering whether at this point you are still in any pain / discomfort?
If so, how would you describe it and is it constant or temporary?
(One of the patients described that recovering from LL is like wearing a heavy belt around the hips at all times. There are things in life that aren't painful but could make a person very unhappy if they are constant, e.g. buzzing of a mosquito or having a feeling of ball and chain attached to legs).

Do you think it is necessary to stay near the doctor for the lengthening period or you think it is OK to go home soon after surgery for someone that has easy access to a gym/physical therapist/orthopedic surgeon?

Finally, you obviously sound very happy with the result, which is great, but would you change anything if you were to do it all over again and are you considering doing tibia?

Thank you! The info you are providing is priceless and much appreciated!

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Dr Guichet must be very happy with your journey.

Also, the importance of psychological preparation showed in you. Again, kudos!

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Quote from: darkchylde on May 18, 2014, 03:25:16 AMSo it is 3 scars on each leg: 2 smaller for the screws and one bigger for the Albizzia nail?
yep exactly, 3 on each leg, no more, no less. (as far as i know albizzia is no longer use, its gnail now)

Quote from: darkchylde on May 18, 2014, 03:25:16 AMHow many days post op were the stitches removed? Did you treat them with any cream?

There r no stitches, its a different procedure. U have few recommendations about the incisions, mostly to keep them dry as much as possible.

Quote from: darkchylde on May 18, 2014, 03:25:16 AMI was also wondering whether at this point you are still in any pain / discomfort?
If so, how would you describe it and is it constant or temporary?
(One of the patients described that recovering from LL is like wearing a heavy belt around the hips at all times. There are things in life that aren't painful but could make a person very unhappy if they are constant, e.g. buzzing of a mosquito or having a feeling of ball and chain attached to legs).

On very specific movements, i can feel pain on hips.
I also feel little pain if i run (not jogging), lets say at 12 km/hour and over, during the first 2-3 mins on the upper part of quads, then it disappears.
But the hardest for me is when i do squat, i feel pain on the hips in the sitting position and at the end of movement when i almost standing up on the upper part of quads. I also had pain on upper part of quads the first 3 times i did leg extension but now it's over so i hope it will be same for squat soon.
I find that this description of wearing an heavy belt is quite fair, but only for sport activities, n the belt is getting lighter everyday so thats more than acceptable to me^^

Quote from: darkchylde on May 18, 2014, 03:25:16 AMDo you think it is necessary to stay near the doctor for the lengthening period or you think it is OK to go home soon after surgery for someone that has easy access to a gym/physical therapist/orthopedic surgeon?

Guichet is kinda obssessed with results, before the surgery he showed me some figures about the rate of fracture during LL process.
If i remember good it's like 5% when patients leave before the end of lengthnening n 0% if they stay in Milano til the end of process.
Anyway i don't think it would be reasonable to go back home before the end of the 1rst month. LL is very special surgery, i doubt that physiotherapist/doctors in general oftenly treat patients doing LL, so they might not know what's the best solution in case of complications.

Quote from: darkchylde on May 18, 2014, 03:25:16 AMFinally, you obviously sound very happy with the result, which is great, but would you change anything if you were to do it all over again
I don't think i could have done sthg differently to improve significantly my LL so i guess no^^

Quote from: darkchylde on May 18, 2014, 03:25:16 AMare you considering doing tibia?

Gaining 7,5 cm, that makes a huge difference!!! Where i live (in France) i'm now average or very close to it so i just can't feel short. To sum up, i would say that only maybe 25% of men r significantly taller than me, but idc since i never wanted to be the tallest, i only wanted not to be the shortest anymore^^ And its very very rare to see a girl taller than me, to me thats just perfect.
IMO i wouldn't gain any benefits from doing tibias, i feel too comfortable like this

Quote from: darkchylde on May 18, 2014, 03:25:16 AMThank you! The info you are providing is priceless and much appreciated! Np, i remember the time when i was kinda desperate about my height. Im happy to share my LL experience, n to those who suffer from their short stature, i can say yes there is hope!!!