Get a woman drunk and your height won't matter. Alcohol makes women throw their height standards out the window just like it makes men okay with banging fat chicks.
Quote from: Sean Connery on March 05, 2015, 08:27:04 PMGet a woman drunk and your height won't matter. Alcohol makes women throw their height standards out the window just like it makes men okay with banging fat chicks.
I think genuine confidence is the way to go. I was confident in every other aspect of myself except my stupid height, and girls (even after hooking up with them) would sometimes give me sh*t for it. And even though it was good-natured (and I acted like it didn't bother me), it annoyed me.
However, when it comes to online dating (which is where I would say most dating takes place nowadays), women can't gauge your "Confidence" and you can't get them drunk from reading your profile. So height would still be an issue. And women have it easier with dating (especially under 30 and attractive women), so if the want to wait around for someone who ticks all their boxes, they have more opportunities to do that than we do. Take two people of equal attractive "levels" and place them side-by-side. Except, one is a man, and one is a woman. Who do you think is getting more dating opportunities? The woman. Just the way it is, and another motivator for me to do LL (not for women per se, but I didn't want to feel like any attractive woman I dated had so much power over me).
Quote from: YellowSpike on March 05, 2015, 08:42:59 PMI think genuine confidence is the way to go. I was confident in every other aspect of myself except my stupid height, and girls (even after hooking up with them) would sometimes give me sh*t for it. And even though it was good-natured (and I acted like it didn't bother me), it annoyed me.
However, when it comes to online dating (which is where I would say most dating takes place nowadays), women can't gauge your "Confidence" and you can't get them drunk from reading your profile. So height would still be an issue. And women have it easier with dating (especially under 30 and attractive women), so if the want to wait around for someone who ticks all their boxes, they have more opportunities to do that than we do. Take two people of equal attractive "levels" and place them side-by-side. Except, one is a man, and one is a woman. Who do you think is getting more dating opportunities? The woman. Just the way it is, and another motivator for me to do LL (not for women per se, but I didn't want to feel like any attractive woman I dated had so much power over me).
That's the reason why women who sleep around a lot are called sluts and degraded and men who sleep around a lot are called smooth and admired by peers. It takes no effort for a woman to get laid but a lot of effort for guys to get laid, even conventionally attractive ones.
Good points. I don't have a problem with lying about my height online though. Women automatically assume a guy is shorter than he lists anyway and boosting your height keeps you out of the block filter.
Quote from: Sean Connery on March 05, 2015, 09:01:58 PMThat's the reason why women who sleep around a lot are called sluts and degraded and men who sleep around a lot are called smooth and admired by peers. It takes no effort for a woman to get laid but a lot of effort for guys to get laid, even conventionally attractive ones.
Good points. I don't have a problem with lying about my height online though. Women automatically assume a guy is shorter than he lists anyway and boosting your height keeps you out of the block filter.
100% agree on the slut vs. stud observation. But I still think that women have it easier in dating (serious dating, as in, not just sleeping around) regardless. Most women won't make the first move, so even a relatively unattractive woman is going to get more offers to date than a relatively unattractive guy. Though this changes as women enter their 30s.
And lying about your height I agree with an inch or two is fine...but be careful with tallish women who may contact you. Because if they're the same height as you, they'll know you're lying, then know you're insecure, and we know that's an automatic turn off.
I think attraction goes something like this:
For Men, a Woman's Attraction Level = Looks x (Personality + Hobbies + Career + etc.). So, if a woman isn't attractive to the guy in question, attraction goes to 0. "Confidence" and career/money and such isn't important to me and most men I know. As long as I find a woman physically attractive and she's got a decent personality (from what I can gauge early on), she's a contender.
For Women, a Man's Attraction Level = Height + Confidence + Money/Status + Looks. Actually, I would almost argue (for a good amount of women out there) that Height is the "multiplier" in this equation (like Looks are in the one for how we find women attractive or not), so if you're not tall enough, a woman's attraction for you goes to 0. Although sometimes confidence and other stuff can sway women. With men, if there's no initial attraction, the girl stays in the friend zone, I'd say.
Quote from: endomorphisme on March 05, 2015, 07:07:14 PMso could you explain why someone who is 6'2 is 57% more likely to get contacted?
A guy who is 5'5 or less will never get contactED by a woman even if she is ugly and fat, there is noway a guy this tall is attractive to girls, altleast on dating website.
So could you explain, how a very short man is 9% likely to get contactED and a talL man, only 14%?
The percentile are not absolute.
are you drunk?
I understand (we all do) taller is better, but UNTIL a certain point. And that point is 6'2.
Looking at the poll, six feet and 6'1 are the most ideal height (as voted):
5'11"- 1 (4.2%)
6'- 10 (41.7%)
6'1"- 11 (45.8%)
Shorter than 5'11"- 0 (0%)
Taller than 6'1"- 2 (8.3%)
Only 2 voters voted for taller than 6'1 and I suspect they are endomorphisme and Meursault who are proponents of 6'5 (or thereabouts) being the ideal.
This is yet another evidence that the ideal lies somewhere between 6' and 6'1... 
UNLESS Meursault and endomorphisme and short7guy would want to claim that the girls AND boys are lying 
Quote from: YellowSpike on March 05, 2015, 07:10:11 PMHeight is the number one thing women use to discriminate in terms of online dating. In real life, no one knows your exact height...but on "paper"/an online profile...below 5'8" looks really bad. Even 5'8" is borderline, but I was on all the dating sites over the years, and it seemed that most women (including attractive ones) are ok with around 5'8" and above.
This is perfect example of why more emphasis gets put on height that it deserves.
Looks still trump everything in general but it is entirely subjective and impossible to grade on paper as you can't write the description or specify handsomeness or prettiness. Even if you say 'dark', there are many attractive people that are pale (and uglies that are dark) and even if you say 'sharp features' there are many attractive people that have round faces (and uglies with sharp features). With height you can say 'tall' and/or over 5'10" (or whatever) and everyone will understand you universally making it the easiest thing to use as a selection factor.
Quote from: w1988 on March 06, 2015, 03:43:56 PMThis is perfect example of why more emphasis gets put on height that it deserves.
Looks still trump everything in general but it is entirely subjective and impossible to grade on paper as you can't write the description or specify handsomeness or prettiness. Even if you say 'dark', there are many attractive people that are pale (and uglies that are dark) and even if you say 'sharp features' there are many attractive people that have round faces (and uglies with sharp features). With height you can say 'tall' and/or over 5'10" (or whatever) and everyone will understand you universally making it the easiest thing to use as a selection factor.
I think a lot of it has to do with post-modern feminism. Women have pretty much just as much power as we now do (good for them!). However, as a result, many women have become pickier than ever. Trust me, I know...I've dated many different types of women...some feminist-types, some more traditional. But what I've noticed (with almost all of them) is that you have to dominate a woman as much as possible these days (earn more money than her, be physically stronger, and of course, be taller). Obviously there are many exceptions to this, and when you meet the right person, a lot of these "rules" go out the window. But modern women aren't like our mothers and grandmothers. It's a different world. Dating is very cutthroat and competitive.
I think looks trump everything so long as you're not too short (below 5'7"), depending on the woman's height.
Quote from: YellowSpike on March 06, 2015, 03:58:33 PMI think a lot of it has to do with post-modern feminism. Women have pretty much just as much power as we now do (good for them!). However, as a result, many women have become pickier than ever. Trust me, I know...I've dated many different types of women...some feminist-types, some more traditional. But what I've noticed (with almost all of them) is that you have to dominate a woman as much as possible these days (earn more money than her, be physically stronger, and of course, be taller). Obviously there are many exceptions to this, and when you meet the right person, a lot of these "rules" go out the window. But modern women aren't like our mothers and grandmothers. It's a different world. Dating is very cutthroat and competitive.
I think looks trump everything so long as you're not too short (below 5'7"), depending on the woman's height.
If you are dominant in other ways, height doesn't matter. Women like height because they think it conveys dominance (even though it doesn't); so, to be "tall", you have to be dominant. Case in point: when you are walking through a crowd, do you move around people, or do you push them out of the way to make room for yourself? The dominant person makes room for himself, while the weak, submissive person moves around the people.
Quote from: ReadRothbard on March 06, 2015, 04:55:31 PMIf you are dominant in other ways, height doesn't matter. Women like height because they think it conveys dominance (even though it doesn't); so, to be "tall", you have to be dominant. Case in point: when you are walking through a crowd, do you move around people, or do you push them out of the way to make room for yourself? The dominant person makes room for himself, while the weak, submissive person moves around the people.
I agree. And I did notice that once I adjusted my confidence/way I carry myself, I did well with women despite my height. But it was still an uphill battle on the inside, and "confidence/acting dominant" doesn't work on all women. And it definitely doesn't work with online dating (where a lot of dating/hooking up takes place these days), because they can't gauge your "confidence" from your profile (although I did make one profile where I was blatantly a dck on POF, and I got lots of hookups from that. I gear my profiles to a target audience I suppose).
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