Everyone is a fraud in a sense when they change something in their appearance even it is something small.
And dont listen yeah but ll is different cause this and that and its more serious than the others. Youa re a fraud and the others that change their appearances are frauds too.Do whatever the fk you want like they do whatever the fk they want.
The stigma of being short: lots of people think of you as genetic garbage. You're a Burakumin, you're from the untouchable caste; trying to pass yourself off as quality. Very different from fixing an ugly nose, or getting breast implants being viewed as making something that's already great even better.
It’s an interesting issue, but I believe the counter-argument is oversocialization.
You are allowed to do things for yourself, and not tell everyone, but instead keep it to yourself.
You dont owe these people anything. You had an issue with your physique, you went through great hardships and took great risks to overcome it. Why is it any of their business?
When you are oversocialized you feel shame about everything and the need to tell everyone everything about yourself. Dont do that.
You’re not going around infecting people with HIV mate. You just grew a couple of cm’s of bone later in life.
Brotha short is not fun i agree but you took it to another level (extreme) you will blame every little problem in your entire life to height the fat person to his weight and the ugly to his lack of beauty.Every one thinks his problem is the biggest and the most terrible hand that dealt to him.Good luck and have fun in your journey boys and girls.
Quote from: limby101 on July 03, 2023, 10:55:45 PMSomething's on my mind that I hardly see any talk about.
Obviously most llers not showing off they had surgery and most keep it a secret, other than close people who obviously can tell the person has grown taller...
But the thing that bothers me is how does one live with himself, living this lie. I mean, let's say you meet a girl, she's very impressed by your height and appearance, wouldn't she be terrified to find out the length you went to improve your appearance? Plus, if women wish to have children, they'd like to know the real genetic potential of her spouse... So.. how do you carry yourself without feeling like a fake person?
This issue bothers me a lot. I wish I'd be taller on one hand, on the other hand I feel so bad and disappointed of myself I can't solve this difficulty in my life in a healthier way...
I keep thinking of an ex, she kept bringing me down because of my height, so today if I'm taller, she would be the last person in this world to be impressed, shed be much more impressed to see I can hold on to what I am and own my appearance with confidence and acceptance and joy.
Even writing this message here convinces me to stop lengthening and add just the minimal gain of 2 cm.. just so I won't have a lifetime of regret..
Oh well...
Did your ex break up because of your height? I really don't know why you have trepidation about your having done LL being exposed if not so, but if so, then you should just leave her alone since you don't need anyone to be your gf if they can't look into your soul through your skeleton and muscles.
I have to add some comments about the bs that shortness is genetically inferior.(Unless you are living in a tribe, then yeah, it is) That ideology really needs to be stopped since to me it seems to come from either incels or someone who is tall but needs to depreciate others to achieve a sense of superiority which is even more pathetic than being short imo. Genetic inferiority should not be defined upon sxxual unattractiveness. Firstly you live for yourself, secondly the evolution of this world needs intelligence, creativity etc., than height and face.(I won't argue with any incels over this point since I know I will def 'lose')
I still want to say at the end that, yeah, you do this surgery FOR YOURSELF. If you want others to appreciate you by growing taller, you probably are not mentally mature enough. What if would she think of you as too ugly, too poor, too boring, etc.? Would you change everything for HER? You really don't need to do so much for a girl. She probably will just think you are a fool as well.
Quote from: TheDream on July 04, 2023, 08:23:19 AMIt’s an interesting issue, but I believe the counter-argument is oversocialization.
You are allowed to do things for yourself, and not tell everyone, but instead keep it to yourself.
You dont owe these people anything. You had an issue with your physique, you went through great hardships and took great risks to overcome it. Why is it any of their business?
When you are oversocialized you feel shame about everything and the need to tell everyone everything about yourself. Dont do that.
You’re not going around infecting people with HIV mate. You just grew a couple of cm’s of bone later in life.
It is not about telling random people but your life partner. Big difference there mate. Not telling your life partner is basically fraud.
The world doesn't see this procedure as "growing a couple of cm's of bone later in life". That is why patients want to keep it a secret. If it was just "growing a couple of cm's of bone later in life", then patients shouldn't mind informing their life partners in the future.
I've seen many patients who want to hide their LL surgery from their spouses rationalise the decision to themselves using internal dialogue like:
- "If I had eaten and slept well in childhood, I would have reached my full height height potential. So I'm just reaching that potential. There is no reason to tell her I did this."
- "She has dated short guys before. So even if she found out that I was short, it would be ok. So there is no need to tell her".
- "Most of my family is quite tall. I turned out a bit short due to bad luck. It's quite likely my children will become tall anyway. So, there is no reason to inform my wife about all this."
- "LL will be very advanced in the future. So if my kids wanna do it, it will be easy and safe. So, no reason to bring my surgery up at all."
But deep inside I'm sure most know that hiding it from a spouse is quite fraudulent. I am trying to choose between not doing LL and doing it and telling my life partner in the future. Hard decision...
Thanks guys for your input.
I actually talked to a guy who did full 8cm femurs and he has a wife who helped him throughout the journey.
Today he says he has no single regret and he and his wife are very happy with the results.. my lesson from this is thay 1- you don't really do LL for yourself. I mean of course it's for yourself but you can't detach the surrounding people in your environment as a factor. Because the acceptance and judgment of the surrounding are the reasons to do this surgery in the first place.
2- if you find a spouse who love you for what you are, it wouldn't matter to him/her.
I hope we all be that lucky.
Quote from: truthdial on July 04, 2023, 09:35:32 AMIt is not about telling random people but your life partner. Big difference there mate. Not telling your life partner is basically fraud.
The world doesn't see this procedure as "growing a couple of cm's of bone later in life". That is why patients want to keep it a secret. If it was just "growing a couple of cm's of bone later in life", then patients shouldn't mind informing their life partners in the future.
Yes, hence why I said the counter argument is that this is simply over socialization.
You’re saying it doesn’t matter that you, objectively and logically, just grew a couple of cm’s later in life, and your argument is simply that society see’s it as very shameful. Thus, you have internalized this view and would carry a lot of shame.
Now logically, you could argue that if you had long lasting physical problems at the time, that it is more moral to inform of it, as you will be limited in physical activities. Or if you had a large outstanding debt and financial problems as a result. But in the absence of these, you have quite literally just grown a couple of cm’s later in life.
I’m not saying one way of thinking is correct, but simply view it as an interesting thought exercise.
It really depends how much you do. 2 inches for instance is within a margin of error for having kids. I know a family of 4 brothers and the height difference is like 4 inches if not more. I see 2 brothers with half a foot difference sometimes.
If you're doing large amounts where family and friends know you're realistically going to need to tell your spouse or thats going to backfire big time because it will eventually get out.
But as others have said, women get a LOT of work done and will never tell you about it. All is fair in love and war if you ask me.
I have no intentions of telling anyone about a relatively small 3.2CM. That will die with me to the grave. My height after LL is still a good indicator of what you're going to get with kids so i just dont view it as deception.
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