The psychological issue no one mentions

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Breast implants are disgusting.  Get that cancer plastic out of your chest.

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Quote from: lessthanavg8300 on July 04, 2023, 03:18:22 PMIt really depends how much you do.  2 inches for instance is within a margin of error for having kids.  I know a family of 4 brothers and the height difference is like 4 inches if not more.  I see 2 brothers with half a foot difference sometimes.

If you're doing large amounts where family and friends know you're realistically going to need to tell your spouse or thats going to backfire big time because it will eventually get out.

But as others have said, women get a LOT of work done and will never tell you about it.  All is fair in love and war if you ask me.

I have no intentions of telling anyone about a relatively small 3.2CM.  That will die with me to the grave.  My height after LL is still a good indicator of what you're going to get with kids so i just dont view it as deception.

Very well said. Additionally, if you're also already average or above to start with, then again, the fraud aspect from hiding LL from your partner, decreases.

I think the shorter bunch who lengthen significant amounts are unfortunately more likely to have to deal with the fraud aspect.

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Quote from: limby101 on July 03, 2023, 10:55:45 PMSomething's on my mind that I hardly see any talk about.
Obviously most llers not showing off they had surgery and most keep it a secret, other than close people who obviously can tell the person has grown taller...
But the thing that bothers me is how does one live with himself, living this lie. I mean, let's say you meet a girl, she's very impressed by your height and appearance, wouldn't she be terrified to find out the length you went to improve your appearance? Plus, if women wish to have children, they'd like to know the real genetic potential of her spouse... So.. how do you carry yourself without feeling like a fake person?
This issue bothers me a lot. I wish I'd be taller on one hand, on the other hand I feel so bad and disappointed of myself I can't solve this difficulty in my life in a healthier way...
I keep thinking of an ex, she kept bringing me down because of my height, so today if I'm taller, she would be the last person in this world to be impressed, shed be much more impressed to see I can hold on to what I am and own my appearance with confidence and acceptance and joy.
Even writing this message here convinces me to stop lengthening and add just the minimal gain of 2 cm.. just so I won't have a lifetime of regret..
Oh well...

1. It's a lie in your world. I don't know what others do, but I will not hide the fact that I did LL. If I did not do LL, I would be short and did not need to hide it. Is that a better option thatn doing LL and not hide it?

2. The thing about confidence, acceptance, and doing or doing doing it because of society... You can spin it both was. Imagine you just want to do it for yourself because you are objectively short, BUT you don't do it because of others? How is that a sign of confidence? Not doing it because others look down on it?
It's more confident to do what you want, and not even worry about what others think. And that means to do LL if you feel like it.

You're playing mindgames with yourself, and you will rationalize that whatever you do is the right thing.

3. Lastly, no one really cares about you doing LL. Look people even do LL when they have a girlfriend, and some girlfriends don't like that their friend becomes more attractive overall and to other women. That proves that women know you will be more attractive, even if you have "shorter genes". Attractiveness is purely visual, and in a relationship love overwrites the fact that you had done LL.

Just be honest to yourself, and do exactly what you would want to do, IF NO ONE was ever to know or judge you. And if the truth is you want the full 6 cm, then that is what you want and should do.

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Quote from: limby101 on July 03, 2023, 10:55:45 PMSomething's on my mind that I hardly see any talk about.
Obviously most llers not showing off they had surgery and most keep it a secret, other than close people who obviously can tell the person has grown taller...
But the thing that bothers me is how does one live with himself, living this lie. I mean, let's say you meet a girl, she's very impressed by your height and appearance, wouldn't she be terrified to find out the length you went to improve your appearance? Plus, if women wish to have children, they'd like to know the real genetic potential of her spouse... So.. how do you carry yourself without feeling like a fake person?
This issue bothers me a lot. I wish I'd be taller on one hand, on the other hand I feel so bad and disappointed of myself I can't solve this difficulty in my life in a healthier way...
I keep thinking of an ex, she kept bringing me down because of my height, so today if I'm taller, she would be the last person in this world to be impressed, shed be much more impressed to see I can hold on to what I am and own my appearance with confidence and acceptance and joy.
Even writing this message here convinces me to stop lengthening and add just the minimal gain of 2 cm.. just so I won't have a lifetime of regret..
Oh well...

I'll give my two cents here on a few things.
First of all, how tall were you when you last met your ex? Chances are you can still lie to her that you grew 1~2 inches when you last met, and 2 inches of a growth isn't that much noticeable as most people would assume unless they eye you thoroughly and compare you before and to other people. I know people 1 inch taller than me, and people sometimes mistake us being the same height while the people 2 inches taller than me are almost close.

And since studies show that men can even grow as far up to 25 years old, you can still conveniently lie about it. I know people personally who has grown past 21~22 and still grew 2~3 inches in the years after we graduated college.

Quote from: limby101 on July 03, 2023, 10:55:45 PMPlus, if women wish to have children, they'd like to know the real genetic potential of her spouse... So.. how do you carry yourself without feeling like a fake person?

This is something most people that seems to be bothered both sides, the people undertaking surgery and getting married, and the people getting to know their spouse used to be short.

Here's the thing, unless you're an actual midget, chances are high your children will be taller than you if you're male. Genetics play a role of 60%~80% of height, yes that's true. But environmental factors still plays a huge part even if that's as low as 20%. If you, who struggled all his life as short, you can preemptively avoid that with your child. Generationally speaking, younger people are always taller on average. Take a look at the span of history, and people who migrated from Mexico to US, their male children were 10cm taller than their fathers due to better nutrition alone.

I'm asian, and in my case, I'm around 8cm taller than my father but that's primarily also due to me just having better nutrition, but that's not optimal nutrition neither, nor was I particularly active during my younger years. And my dad is short for a guy, primarily also due to nutrition, he was very skinny in his old pictures and I know their lifestyle when they were young as we were living as borderline lower-middle class when I was younger. He was as tall as my grandfather but some of his brothers were taller than them.

Another anecdotal cases are 2 younger male cousins of mine, one who has a giant of a dad. His dad was around 6'+ at the least(I can't tell how tall exactly because I only got to see him a few times). However, he was born out of wedlock, and that rough relationship alongside money issues, caused his dad to bail out on his mom. And for the majority of my time with my cousin when I was up until my first year in college, he was skinny and shorter than me and he never grew even close to 6' and most of us knew it was because he was very malnourished as a kid. He was getting by with food, but he was barely eating enough proteins.

The other cousin, has a 5'11 dad, his family was pretty decently well off but he was kind of a picky eater until his late teen years, and we're the same height. We're both 5'7". I was fat, he was skinny.

I can give more about my family members, since we all have varying heights all affected by nutrition, but I'll give one last outside of it. An old colleague of mine when I was working with him, we had a discussion about height since he was suffering from Hyperpituitarism since as a child but was controlled and only recently resurfaced just a few years ago and had to undergo surgery because he was already past growing stage so he would suffer acromegaly without the surgery.

He told me he used to live with his grandmother who would only feed him majority of his life, leafy vegetables. While his younger brother lived with his parents and eat a lot of meat and fish when he grew older and got to be 5'11 while their dad is 5'10. His brother didn't have an active pituitary gland. Interestingly, he only grew as tall as me so he didn't suffer gigantism primarily maybe because they were able to control his Hyperpituitarism thru medication, but he did grew fatter and suffered diabetes around his college years.

In the back of my head, I always knew I was robbed of my last few inches due to both nutrition and an active lifestyle. My family is not genetically tall by any means, but I can also attribute that to nutrition and lifestyle on their part. Generationally speaking, I'm one of the above average guys in the family. Even though I was nutritionally better off than my parents, since asians as well eat a lot rice, bread and grains, we don't necessarily have meat as our primary food source, so that additional protein isn't there to boost growth. Couple that with my rather sedentary lifestyle as a teen,(I was somewhat active as a kid, I grew in my teen years playing video games however), I couldn't boost much gh nor testosterone to grow any further than what I am today. Even though I became active around 17(my parents were the kind that thought lifting weights would stunt growth) when I was finally started to go to the gym, I knew at that point my plates were finally solidified(I had an early puberty/growth spurt around 11~12 years old, I saw my growth the fastest during these years).

So the next time you think your child is going to be short, think of ways you can actually control to prevent that and grow further, and not things you cannot like genetics.

Quote from: limby101 on July 03, 2023, 10:55:45 PMEven writing this message here convinces me to stop lengthening and add just the minimal gain of 2 cm.. just so I won't have a lifetime of regret..

I think the last point here is, don't do this for someone who has left you nor others who also think the same. Height dysphoria is very suffering mentally speaking. Even if I am living in Asia, and I'm not considered short by my peers believe me since I'm above the avg male height here, but whenever I would visit a western country or even other Asian countries I would always feel small even though I'm a physically fit now and muscular. This isn't even talking about women nor dating, but rather being physically short makes me mentally weak. I always think, "What if I suddenly got into a situation where I got confronted by someone", or "someone got intimidated just because I got on their wrong side for no reason", and so many other reasons. It's not like I'm looking to start getting into fights, rather I just don't want people thinking they can rough me around just because I'm short. Being taller can be intimidating, and it makes it feel safer, more confident about yourself and more.
Quote from: limby101 on July 04, 2023, 11:17:04 AMThanks guys for your input.
I actually talked to a guy who did full 8cm femurs and he has a wife who helped him throughout the journey.
Today he says he has no single regret and he and his wife are very happy with the results.. my lesson from this is thay 1- you don't really do LL for yourself. I mean of course it's for yourself but you can't detach the surrounding people in your environment as a factor. Because the acceptance and judgment of the surrounding are the reasons to do this surgery in the first place.
2- if you find a spouse who love you for what you are, it wouldn't matter to him/her.
I hope we all be that lucky.

These are two good points. Truthdial seems to have his own issues, but yes. You can't detach yourself from society just because you artificially grew and want to hide it. You're undergoing this procedure because you want to be seen as the better you after all. At the end of the day, you have to think and compare both sides really. Would it really  better for you to be short for the rest of your life, or slightly taller later on? Because for a lot of people, being short is way worse than getting that 2 extra inches later.

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Quote from: lessthanavg8300 on July 04, 2023, 03:42:37 PMBreast implants are disgusting.  Get that cancer plastic out of your chest.

In some ways, Limb Lengthening is better than breast implants. Breast implants can cause problems YEARS after. It can cause immune system issues and systemic inflammation.

Also, they are only good for about 10 years. Limb lengthening gains last for life! And you remove the rods at some point, unlike breast implants which need to be exchanged.




If you are concerned about having short children, have kids with a taller woman. Since genetics ultimately determine height.

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Short men are the last group it's considered acceptable to discriminate against.  Ask almost any woman what she wants in a man and the first trait to come to her mind will be tall.

For those who haven't had LL yet, I will tell you from experience that the level of respect I get from everyone went way up after I went from below average to average.  People are animals that have experienced civilization too briefly to change what they are.

Just think about that if you feel guilty.

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Bro the self hate in this site is laughable like i said before stop blaming everythiing on your height. Do the surgery if you can and move on.Also to the new users care incels lurk here and they really dont want you to have this surgery you see misery loves company.

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OP if you're planning to tell your future partner about LL then don't worry about any comments on this thread. You are being honest and that is a good thing. It's good that you're thinking about what LL would mean to those around you (particularly future partner), and that is a good trait.

I am also debating between taking your path and not doing LL altogether. I feel hiding it from a partner is fraud especially if the length is substantial.

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Quote from: Medium Drink Of Water on July 05, 2023, 03:10:11 AMShort men are the last group it's considered acceptable to discriminate against.  Ask almost any woman what she wants in a man and the first trait to come to her mind will be tall.

For those who haven't had LL yet, I will tell you from experience that the level of respect I get from everyone went way up after I went from below average to average.  People are animals that have experienced civilization too briefly to change what they are.

Just think about that if you feel guilty.

"genetic trash" as you described it earlier is 100% accurate of what women think of short men.  And it takes them 2 seconds to decide that in their heads.

Short men with their head on their shoulders ignore this opinion of them forever because they have natural confidence, but then you get older and remain single and then it hits you that youve been constantly rejected for your height.  And hooking up with women doesnt mean you can hold one down.  If you enjoy being a walking dildo women use and then move on to another man for commitment then you can live that life but its not for me.