The truth about height

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1. There is no scientific evidence that tall people are smarter than short people. There are well known short people who are brilliant and have done a lot of great things. As well as tall people as we.. That is just bias that people think that taller people somehow  are more intelligence but again no sceintifical evidence to support this.If society didnt marginalize short people so much, especially short people of color, I am confident that is untapped intelligence in short people.

2. Again no scientific evidence that lack of talent or more talent has to do with short height.  Being short is not a crime. What exactly is there to be ashamed of? Yes being taller gives more opportunities but thats because of prejudice against short people. And discrimination. That has nothing to do with short people having talent or not having talent. Again you failed to prove your point.

3. Again you failed to provide any scientific research where it says that short height has to do with not being a good moral person.  It doesnt. it is true that sometimes behavior can be triggered by environment, negative influences, and neurological defects. But not  on height. short height has nothing to do with that. What you are talking about is heightism. Heightism is an outside occurence that can influence others react a certain way. But outside traumatic events can happen to tall people as well.

4. When I mean about when height has something to do with ahtletic. is there is a negative stigma where people think that just  because a person is short they can not do any sports at all. Which is not true. There are sports that short people can excel at and sports where tall people can excel at. And that has been proven in both Simone Biles and Michael Phelps.

5. Beauty standards is subjective and greatly influence by the society. An example is black beauty. Dark skin use to be stigmatized and considered as unattractive but now a days more and more people are seeing the beauty in dark skin. As well as the beauty in plus size people

You failed to disprove any of my point

And as far as Darwin theory. Thats just a theory.  human beings f ollowing concepts like natural selection, survival of the fittest , superiority  complex, inferiority vomplex has done a lot of damage. concepts such as inferior/superior is what a lot of bigots believe etc

I stand what i said before. And you failed to have any arguments of substance. Heightism is wrong. We should never treat anyone based on what we think that person deserves. But treat people the way we or they want to be treated. THAT IS HUMANE.

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Quote from: wants2growtaller on August 14, 2021, 11:11:12 AM1. There is no scientific evidence that tall people are smarter than short people. There are well known short people who are brilliant and have done a lot of great things. As well as tall people as we.. That is just bias that people think that taller people somehow  are more intelligence but again no sceintifical evidence to support this.If society didnt marginalize short people so much, especially short people of color, I am confident that is untapped intelligence in short people.

2. Again no scientific evidence that lack of talent or more talent has to do with short height.  Being short is not a crime. What exactly is there to be ashamed of? Yes being taller gives more opportunities but thats because of prejudice against short people. And discrimination. That has nothing to do with short people having talent or not having talent. Again you failed to prove your point.

3. Again you failed to provide any scientific research where it says that short height has to do with not being a good moral person.  It doesnt. it is true that sometimes behavior can be triggered by environment, negative influences, and neurological defects. But not  on height. short height has nothing to do with that. What you are talking about is heightism. Heightism is an outside occurence that can influence others react a certain way. But outside traumatic events can happen to tall people as well.

4. When I mean about when height has something to do with ahtletic. is there is a negative stigma where people think that just  because a person is short they can not do any sports at all. Which is not true. There are sports that short people can excel at and sports where tall people can excel at. And that has been proven in both Simone Biles and Michael Phelps.

5. Beauty standards is subjective and greatly influence by the society. An example is black beauty. Dark skin use to be stigmatized and considered as unattractive but now a days more and more people are seeing the beauty in dark skin. As well as the beauty in plus size people

You failed to disprove any of my point

1. There are numerous scientific results on this topic. See, for instance, (https://medicalxpress.com/news/2014-03-genetic-link-height-iq.html), or even wiki article. No doubt, it's a very difficult correlation to study, and the reasons for such might be more than just that. However, there is a positive statistical correlation between height and intelligence. As it is conjectured, the matter is in correlation between height and certain volumes of the brain. Again, this is a statistical study. What you say, well, that there exist brilliant short people, brilliant tall people, dumb shorts and dumb talls. I agree. Everyone does. However, it's about a statisical likelihood that a random short person you pick will be smarter than any other random tall person. Bets aren't on your side. Examples that you provide are either exceptions, or, better say, less probable outcomes.

None of this has something to do with LL surgery, of course.

2. I haven't said nothing about talent, but mere about certain situations when you can't deliver your talent. Imagine a very talented actor who cannot go on stage because, you know, short people look ridiculous on stage.

Being short is not a crime. It's inconvenience and discomfort.

What exactly is the to be ashamed of? Of your appearance. Of inability to stand on par with 95%+ male people on street. Of being paid less than a normal guy just for the same amount for work. Of inability to date someone or even anyone. Etc. There can be many reasons why an extremely short guy can be ashamed of his shortness. You might say that's not his fault. I don't care, frankly speaking. Since it's not about fault and guilt and is about quality of life, it's the major obstacle you have to remove.

3. Frankly speaking, I don't care for goodness or evilness, or for morality itself. What I said is that your character and mood can significantly improve after LL. Depression can be gone. You can be more kind, just you used to be. Etc. Or can be not.

4. Never heard of such a stigma. What is true, though, that short people can do less amount of sports. I can imagine of only gymnastics and horse riding (being a jockey). Can't really think of anything else.

5. Again, it's a difficult genetical and cultural mutual dependence to judge beauty standards, and it's correct that beauty standards change. I'm aware of no culture, though, where male shortness is considered good and handsome and tallness is not. At best, it's not that relevant (something asian-like). At worst, you know for yourself. Why so? Because it's pretty much sxxual dimorphism, - for our species males are larger and taller than females on average. For asians it's not that significant difference, yet quite noticable, of course; for whites and blacks, though, the difference is extemely noticable.

You might argue that it's all irrational, and heightism is just prejudices, but people are irrational creatures, and it's not rational to fight a senseless struggle against something like sxxual dimorphism when you have an opportunity to eliminate your problem.

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1. I am a short woman and I am brilliant. I have always competed at an advance level in my academic. I am empathetic, compassion, insightful, talented and very artistic. Anything that I put my mind to I can learn easily and and excel. My father is an average height man and he speaks a total of seven languages. He went to university on a university scholoarship. My sister isnt very tall , went to full time university on a scholarship as well. in school, most of my friends coincidentally were short and born in the same month. All briliant. What about Napoleon Bonapart. The man was 5'7 and would be considered short in our day led a very successful army and colonize many countries around the world. It takes a high level intelligence to accomplish that. How about hollywood. Short people are thriving in hollywood. From actors, directos many of them are extreemly short , talented and very popular. Lady Gaga is 5'2, Ariana Grande 5'1, Kevin Hart 5'3, Snooki 4'8, Martin Scorcese 5'6, . What about Peter Dinklage he is a little person and He was one of the most beloved character on Games thrones.  Prince was 5'2. He was a very successful musician.  So i dont know what you are talking about your ridiculousness saying the likehood of a short person being brilliant is less. When Hollywood has A LOT of short people who are brilliant. Lets not forget the Late Stephan Hawkins, who was short AN d severely disabled and have a genuis level mind. As well as nic vujici who has no arms nor legs but was able to make a highly successful career as a motivational speaker, Has a beautiful family.

2. Short people look ridiculous on stage? Prince? Ariana Grande? Lady Gaga? Bruno Mars? Kevin Hart? They are all very short.  Nicki Minaj?  Liza Koshy? They are all very short and people love them. The shame that you associate with being short, in my opinion comes from heightism. However these well known celebrities are short and talented.

3. There is nothing to be ashame of being short. Heightism is the problem. Its people who refuse to say the value of short people, and are stuck on prejudice.  As a short woman nothing is really physically challenging. i can still reach high cupboard, i can walk, I pretty much am physically able to do anything. I understand why people are doing this surgery. Heightism is a HUGE barrier. And the way that human beings mind are set up is not easy to combat. But it doesnt mean what they think about short people is right or true. Because it isnt. I feel that you have internalize alot of the negative biases that society sees in short people.  Being short is NOT the problem. Heightism is the problem.

4. Depression and depression treatment can be caused or ''cured about anything.  What you are talking is heightism.  Heightism is prejudice towards short people that does cause problems. However just because someone is short it doesnt mean they are a bad person or a good person. Thats the individual choice to be either one. And that goes with a tall person. After surgery the short person can also be arrogant as well. And may believe that he or she achieved a certain level of privilege. Again that is subjective and it is up to a persons choice to be good or evil. Short height doesnt automatically equal bad person or vice versa.

6. Beauty standards does change. At the moment because heightism is very prevalent, society looks down on short people. However it wasnt like that always. Michael J Fox was a short actor in the 80's and was well loved. I do believe the lack of short male actors contributed to heightism towards men.

I do not deny the gravity of heightism. Nor am I or anyone against doing this surgery to ultimately avoid the social consequence of being short. However, it doesn't eliminate heightism in this world. It doesn't change human consciousness to care about things about truly matter. Instead humans focus is on THE OUTSIDE.  What they see. Which is extremely shallow and not very progressive.

I am going to continue to speak out against heightism. Because the idea that short people are completely inferior is a LIE. Its not just to treat anyone based on any physical characteristics.

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Quote from: wants2growtaller on August 14, 2021, 12:04:35 PM1. I am a short woman and I am brilliant. I have always competed at an advance level in my academic. I am empathetic, compassion, insightful, talented and very artistic. Anything that I put my mind to I can learn easily and and excel. My father is an average height man and he speaks a total of seven languages. He went to university on a university scholoarship. My sister isnt very tall , went to full time university on a scholarship as well. in school, most of my friends coincidentally were short and born in the same month. All briliant. What about Napoleon Bonapart. The man was 5'7 and would be considered short in our day led a very successful army and colonize many countries around the world. It takes a high level intelligence to accomplish that. How about hollywood. Short people are thriving in hollywood. From actors, directos many of them are extreemly short , talented and very popular. Lady Gaga is 5'2, Ariana Grande 5'1, Kevin Hart 5'3, Snooki 4'8, Martin Scorcese 5'6, . What about Peter Dinklage he is a little person and He was one of the most beloved character on Games thrones.  Prince was 5'2. He was a very successful musician.  So i dont know what you are talking about your ridiculousness saying the likehood of a short person being brilliant is less. When Hollywood has A LOT of short people who are brilliant.

You might be not just a brilliant, but Cullinan itself! It doesn't matter anyway, since you do not read really carefully what I am writing. We discussed, - or at least I did, - intelligence. Not general brilliance and other talents. Let me comment anyway on the rest (I'll put aside your bold statements about yourself):

Your father is average - we've been talking about extremely short people, mostly men.

Your sister is not very tall, which is fine for women.

Napoleon and the others, - might be short, but again, a good example of exception.

Hollywood, - no, short people are not thriving in Hollywood. I talk about male actors here, since for women heels exist, and if Scorcese and any other director is happy, I'm happy for them too. Male actors occupy a certain niche where they fit, - mostly comedy. I can't even think of anyone except possibly Dustin Hoffman who's able (I mean, is allowed) to play a great range of roles. Still, I believe he suffered from his height during professional career. For the others mentioned: Peter Dinklage plays dwarfs, it's a certain niche, and he's a very sick man who should not belong in this discussion, and Prince wore ridicolously high heels cause otherwise, you know, you wouldn't see him on stage.

Again, OK, Hollywood can have a lot of short people. It has much more of normal and tall people. Much more. Much much more. Much much much... Not to mention that a) it's quite a selective place where your appearance plays a role, so in terms of statistics it's not a good set b) again, I've been talking about regular population. That's what statistics is about.

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In this heightist culture, average height on a male can still be stigmatized. However he is brilliant.  I am a short woman and I experience lots of heightism. Heightism is experience by both male and female gender.  It is true that short men face greater challenges in dating. But short women face challenge as well. There are short women on here, including myself who has been outspoken about the negative bias they face as a short person, that has influence them to do this surgery.   Napoleon is not an exception. tons of intelligent and talented short people. Its just because of our heightist world is not promoted.

Appearance does count in hollywood. And I named you few short and female celebrities in hollywoo.d Here is more Seth Green, Daniel Ratcliffe,  Lil Kim, Lil wayne, Melisa Mcarthy. There is more I just not going to name everyone. The point is that These short people ARe very talented. And they have a fan base.  Yes  you are right there are ''taller'' people in Hollywood. But both tall and short actors have a fan base. I mean look at Bruno Mars. He is short , ethnic yet very successful.

And tall height doesnt automatically equal perfect person, flawless, good person, more talented etc its bones! Peter Dinklage is a little person. He did play a dwarf in Games of thrones. But the writers did not minimize his importance and role on GOT. Peter Dinklage also played in many movies where his height was not the main focus. Yes there is a difference between constitutional short stature and a little person. Nonethess Peter Dinklage has great presence as an actor as a little person.

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Quote from: wants2growtaller on August 14, 2021, 12:04:35 PM
2. Short people look ridiculous on stage? Prince? Ariana Grande? Lady Gaga? Bruno Mars? Kevin Hart? They are all very short.  Nicki Minaj?  Liza Koshy? They are all very short and people love them. The shame that you associate with being short, in my opinion comes from heightism. However these well known celebrities are short and talented.

3. There is nothing to be ashame of being short. Heightism is the problem. Its people who refuse to say the value of short people, and are stuck on prejudice.  As a short woman nothing is really physically challenging. i can still reach high cupboard, i can walk, I pretty much am physically able to do anything. I understand why people are doing this surgery. Heightism is a HUGE barrier. And the way that human beings mind are set up is not easy to combat. But it doesnt mean what they think about short people is right or true. Because it isnt. I feel that you have internalize alot of the negative biases that society sees in short people.  Being short is NOT the problem. Heightism is the problem.

4. Depression and depression treatment can be caused or ''cured about anything.  What you are talking is heightism.  Heightism is prejudice towards short people that does cause problems. However just because someone is short it doesnt mean they are a bad person or a good person. Thats the individual choice to be either one. And that goes with a tall person. After surgery the short person can also be arrogant as well. And may believe that he or she achieved a certain level of privilege. Again that is subjective and it is up to a persons choice to be good or evil. Short height doesnt automatically equal bad person or vice versa.

6. Beauty standards does change. At the moment because heightism is very prevalent, society looks down on short people. However it wasnt like that always. Michael J Fox was a short actor in the 80's and was well loved. I do believe the lack of short male actors contributed to heightism towards men.

I do not deny the gravity of heightism. Nor am I or anyone against doing this surgery to ultimately avoid the social consequence of being short. However, it doesn't eliminate heightism in this world. It doesn't change human consciousness to care about things about truly matter. Instead humans focus is on THE OUTSIDE.  What they see. Which is extremely shallow and not very progressive.

I am going to continue to speak out against heightism. Because the idea that short people are completely inferior is a LIE. Its not just to treat anyone based on any physical characteristics.

2. Yes, they do. Especially for males. Females can wear heels, males have to adjust the stage itself. Should be shot properly to look normal. Etc.

3. It does not matter after all, what is right and what is wrong. Let's be rational: shame is an emotion. Everything you said is about emotions and ethics. I don't care. What I care about, though, it that if there is an issue which affects quality of my life and which is curable by LL, I'm going with the surgery.

4. Again this word with -ism. I don't care whether it's good or bad, whether it's a problem or not. I know about sxxual demorphism and that I violate its principle so badly that I'm shorter than every other woman. Sorry, but I can't buy that it's all in our minds.

6. Just as I told you, - standards change, but for the all human history, it has never been a place that a short guy considered prettier than a tall one. Everyone loves Michael J Fox, yes. He's a charming actor who is very well shot. On screen. I bet many girls would be extremely disappointed in real life. But even it does not matter. I don't say that short people can't do this or that. I say, that they're less chances to success in almost every possible field. Also, just imagine how much more J Fox could have achived had he been a taller guy.

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Short women face a lot of heightism as well. I know i have face it in my life. The women on here who want t o do limb lengthening surgery has also stated the problems they face as a short woman. Short women are often not taken very seriously in business, workplace or serious settings. Short women are labelled as cute, adorable, . Names associated with being child like. Men who usually want to date short women often do it as a fetish, or are secretly pedophiles  who date a short woman to live out their sick fantasy. Some men date short women because they want to feel superior over them, and view them as weak, inferior and need of protection.  When short women speak about their heightis experience they are unsupportive by other short men and society in general. Men and women can wear heels. in fact many men on here wear heels so people dont know they are short.


3. Okay you may not care about ethics.  Morality is based on the individual choice, despite circumstances that can positively or negatively a person not solely based because they are short or tall.

Michael J Fox was very popular as a short man. Even after he got diagnosed with parkin disease he was still very popular. Yousay how much popular he would acheive received as a tall person.. well to be quite honest the movies he made ..made him extremely popular and he still well known after all of these years despite having a neurological diseases etc. There may be as many ''short male actors'' however when their talent is undeniable. That becomes the main focus.  I mean look at Danny Devito. He is Five feet 1 and is still starring in movies.Danny Devito still has a fan base.

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There are a lot of successful people in the history that are short right? Like General Napoleon! And does height matter when it comes to select a chairman or ceo or president? There are some presidents not very tall. Also have you heard of Jack Ma? He's very successful in business and he is not tall. Yom Cruise is he tall??? He's the face of the franchise in Hollywood.

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Heightism is still a barrier in society. This post wasnt about if short height has a negative impact in society, because it surely does.